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                                              September 28, 2005


  In the beginning, there was Leslie Charteris,
  who as a young man started writing a series of      "Meet the Tiger" (1927)
  stories about a Simon Templar, aka "The Saint".
                                                       SMELL_THE_TIGER_BURN
  These stories are perfectly awful...
  certainly they're some of the lowest
  prose that I'm willing to slide my
  eyeballs across-- and you may have
  noticed that they've been rolling around
  in some pretty disreputable troughs.
                                                 (Deep cracks?)

  The Charteris Saint-- let's label him
  that for convenience, if not accuracy--
  underwent many changes throughout the
  several decades that Charteris
  was (nominally) writing the stories.

  In the early stories he was a very British
  character indulging in much light-hearted
  nonsense babble-- somewhere between Bertie
  Wooster and Peter Whimsey, though not as funny
  as either.

  As time went on, he toned down that act, and became
  more suave/slick... some people say he became more
  American, though I haven't noticed that myself--
  perhaps I have a blindspot for Americanisms.

  During that period, Charteris himself was
  not actually writing all of the stories,
  and since many of his ghosts were              E.g. Theodore
  reportedly Americans, maybe the shift in       Sturgeon.
  tone was inevitable.
                                                     CHASING_GHOSTS

    The Charteris Saint was very popular, and
    these stories began to be translated into
    other media a decade or so after their
    inception... one of the earlier ones was        SAINT_OVERLOAD
    the George Sanders films.  The Sanders
    Saint had far more of Sanders in him than     There were five of these,
    Charteris, but then the original (I use       from 1939 to 1941.
    the term loosely) character (I use the
    term loosely) was so thin, one could             [link]
    hardly blame him.

    I like the Sanders Saint the best
    of all the incarnations: all snide      Reportedly, Charteris himself was
    insinuations and sinister overtones     less enthusiastic about these
    as he walked whistling through the      productions, and apparently they
    dark foggy alleys of noir.              lost the rights to use the name.
                                            Sanders then began doing a series
    Perhaps predictably, this is            of films about a precisely
    The Saint that no one seems             identical character called "The
    to remember.                            Falcon".  Charteris took the
                                            trouble to sneer at these films
                                            in one of his stories.

                                               (Later, Sanders turned this
                                               over to his brother Tom
                                               Conway, who had a similar
                                               appearence, though he lacked
                                               the edge.)

                                                  Ah, wikipedia has a
                                                  different version: RKO
                                                  stole Sanders away for
                                                  Falcon-hood, which
                                                  Charteris claimed was
                                                  copyright infringement.
    But then there's another Saint                      
    that's even farther from the                  It took a few years to       
    public mind, the Vincent Price --             straighten that out,       
    these were a series of radio                  but I gather the courts       
    shows, an art form now even more              eventually noticed that       
    ignored than black and white film.            there wasn't much there       
                                                  to infringe.           
    The Price Saint was very unusual --                          
    oily, unctuous (whatever that
    means), almost effeminate.
    An interesting rendition...               The Man From  UNCTUOUS

    In the 60s, Roger Moore stepped
    into the slot, doing the television
    version that everyone seems to
    remember as *The* Saint.


    Calling the Moore Saint
    the definitive analog
    of the Charteris is
    certainly defensible:

    Physically, Moore is very
    close to the way the Saint
    was described; and the arch,
    blank, innocent expression
    he used so often-- maybe it            Reportedly, Charteris
    was his only expression,               gave the Moore Saint his
    really-- has much in common            seal of approval.
    with the Charteris stories.

                             In the early days,
                             The Saint was a
                             con-man who conned
                             con-men, and his
                             ability to project
                             an innocent lamb
    There was another        aura was one of his
    television Saint,        main assets.
    the Ian Ogilvy,
    about which, the
    less said--                          Notably, the Roger Moore Saint
                                         was a person with no visible
                                         means of support.  To an
                                         American audience he seemed
    Then in the 90s there                like a very odd character --
    was a somewhat                       what did this man do for a
    problematic filmed                   living?  The idea that he was
    version of the Saint,                a crook who preyed on crooks
    starring Val Kilmer.                 was apparently too edgy for
                                         television, and instead you
    Everyone really hated                were supposed to assume he was
    this film, and I spent               independently wealthy.
    some time thinking about
    exactly why.                           Some of the episodes are
                                           pretty tightly based on the
    There are many things one              stories though--
    might dislike about it --
    it's portrayal of the                        GOLDEN_FROG
    process of science is
    laughable, it's portrait
    of a female scientist is       The Toadkeeper called this "the
    embarrassing.                  worst movie he'd ever seen",
                                   and I'd guess this is why.


   There are other things one might
   like about it -- with Kilmer, the
   Saint has become a man of many
   disguises, many identities, though
   his affectation is to always adopt
   the name of an official Saint (i.e a
   Catholic one).  In some sense he has         This "orphan" bit was probably
   no fixed identity, certainly he has          suggested by a few lines from
   no given name -- his new history is          the stories.
   that he escaped from an orphanage at
   an early age, assuming the name                At one point, the Saint
   Templar out of a fascination with              talks about donating the
   tales of knightly adventure.                   proceeds of a crime to his
                                                  favorite charity: a fund
   The Saint breaks into the                      for orphans, meaning himself.
   female scientist's
   apartment, studying her
   environment to infer what
   kind of person she is,      Compare to
   and to choose which of      "Laura"?
   his personas he needs to
   use to approach her.            A woman's character
                                   defined by her posessions.

     Dangerbaby was impressed
     by the insight shown in             As for myself, Val Kilmer, will
     having Kilmer work a wild           always have a positive glow about
     boy persona to impress              him because of "Real Genius".
     this woman and I suspect a
     lot of people's reaction                                  REAL_GENIUS
     to the film is cultural, a
     difference in background
     that determines how you        This reckless alcoholic character with a
     react to that particular       wad of cash haphazardly stuck in the
     image.                         waist band of his leather pants has a
                                    double, contradictory appeal for some
                                    women (even, perhaps especially, for a
                                    super-straight, mousey, lady of science):
                                    (1) he can take you out of yourself, into
                                    a more dangerous, more engaging world;
                                    (2) he's damaged, in trouble, and he
                                    needs you to change him.


   But the main thing that conditioned
   the response to this film, the reason
   that almost *no one* had a good word
   to say about it is simple: they wanted
   more Moore Saint, and got Kilmer Saint
   instead, and so went off complaining
   about how inauthentic this rendition
   was...


        But what constant factor *is*
        there that you can point to in
        this long, slow evolution of this
        astoundingly minor character?

        At no point was The Saint ever
        really much more than lightly
        sketched in...                   A stick
                                         figure,
        Why would anyone declare         indeed.
        that one version is the
        one correct one?

        And conversely, why would
        anyone bother to do yet another
        production under this name...
        why not another "Falcon", why
        not invent some new handle?


          As properties go the Saint is the trashiest,
          thinnest piece of cardboard imaginable...


             What is there to the name of the Saint?




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