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From: Giolla@bob.bofh.org (Giolla Decair)
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Subject: Re: AOL is a virus {tech} Netscape 6 and Steve Case
Date: 8 Jan 2001 15:02:04 GMT
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previously Deviancy may have written article
<ZdJ56.7495$Ps.341132@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net> saying:
>"David Gerard" <fun@thingy.apana.org.au> wrote in message
>news:slrn95dhtk.va.fun@thingy.apana.org.au...
>> And at least Mozilla admits it's alpha (not even beta) software, rather
>> than claiming to be a finished product.
>So it claims to be the crap that it is
>Honesty, I respect that
>I lost all respect for Netscape before 4.7, I hated it after 3.x
[snip]
>Netscape is just to bloated and it seems to show pages in a ugly manner.
>Explorer gets better as time goes on and it allows more html tricks like
>transitions
I've sort of lost track of these things which standard did transitions
appear in?
>Our customers occasionaly use Netscape, I tell them to dump it and to come
>down and get our cd software which uses IE 5
The problem with IE is that it's not so good if you want sensible SSL
support. Also I really hate how it handles bookmarks. Bookmarks are
the main reason I don't go to Opera.
The other problem is that Netscape Messenger is currently the only
thing that offers full TLS support for both news and mail.
Outbloat express can't handle SSL authenticated news at all, and only
does SSL wrapped SMTP not proper TLS.
Mozilla/Netscape 6 doesn't understand the concept of passworded
newsgroups, it just doesn't tell you that. It connects pretends to get
articles from any non-passworded bits and then finishes ignoring
anything it should have asked for a password for.
>I also prefer outlooks news program, netscapes isn't bad but bleh
As long as you don't need SSL authenticated news, for windows AFAIK
netscape is the only thing that does that /* mind you I'm not aware of
many/any unix clients that support TLS for news either */
>I like aim so this isn't a thing I have against AOL, hell I even use icq
>still. I think aol is great for newbies and older folks who don't have the
From this I take it you're not too worried about your systems
security.
>time to waste to learn the basics. I just think Netscape is a pile that
>needs to go away.
Only when something else handles TLS as well.
--
Giolla Decair
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