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From: "Rob Bloodgood" <robb@empire2.com> To: "mod_perl" <modperl@perl.apache.org> Subject: [WOT] emacs and WEBDAV Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:30:54 -0800 I'm running a Mason based website, and I use Emacs when I write code. My web designers use Dreamweaver. I've designed the site so that my web guys have to reserve me one table cell (or more than one depending on where in the site, but you get the point) where I put a single dispatch component to the dynamic content appropriately. The problem is, concurrency. Dreamweaver has versioning built in... but emacs has no way to recognize it. So when I make a fix to a file, if the designers aren't explicitly instructed to refresh-from-the-website-via-ftp, my changes get hosed. DW also speaks WEBDAV natively, but emacs does not. Emacs speaks CVS natively, but DW does not. DW also speaks SourceSafe <shudder>, but I never took that seriously... :-) I've been trying, in various attempts over the past two years, to come up with a compromise between the two. The closest I've come was somebody mentioned a CVS emulation layer over a DAV repository... but that never came to fruition. And even more frustrating, I haven't managed to pick up enough eLisp to do it myself w/ vc.el <sigh>. Does anybody have any ideas for my next direction to turn? === Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 14:55:16 -0500 From: darren chamberlain <dlc@users.sourceforge.net> To: mod_perl <modperl@perl.apache.org> Subject: Re: [WOT] emacs and WEBDAV Quoting Rob Bloodgood <robb@empire2.com> [Mar 14, 2002 14:30]: > I've been trying, in various attempts over the past two years, > to come up with a compromise between the two. The closest I've > come was somebody mentioned a CVS emulation layer over a DAV > repository... but that never came to fruition. And even more > frustrating, I haven't managed to pick up enough eLisp to do it > myself w/ vc.el <sigh>. > > Does anybody have any ideas for my next direction to turn? This <http://www.cvshome.org/cyclic/cvs/dev-dav.html> looks promising... === Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 15:20:19 -0500 To: "Rob Bloodgood" <robb@empire2.com> From: Kee Hinckley <nazgul@somewhere.com> Subject: Re: [WOT] emacs and WEBDAV Cc: "mod_perl" <modperl@perl.apache.org> At 11:30 AM -0800 3/14/02, Rob Bloodgood wrote: >The problem is, concurrency. Dreamweaver has versioning built in... but >emacs has no way to recognize it. So when I make a fix to a file, if the >designers aren't explicitly instructed to refresh-from-the-website-via-ftp, >my changes get hosed. Versioning, no. Locking, yes, optionally. (Well, I guess it can do versioning via SourceSafe, but not via anything else.) I'm seriously hoping they'll address that in the next release. >I've been trying, in various attempts over the past two years, to come up >with a compromise between the two. The closest I've come was somebody >mentioned a CVS emulation layer over a DAV repository... but that never came >to fruition. And even more frustrating, I haven't managed to pick up enough >eLisp to do it myself w/ vc.el <sigh>. > >Does anybody have any ideas for my next direction to turn? There are WebDAV extensions under development to provide versioning. I suspect that eventually we'll see those supported. But that's got to be a year or more down the road. Emacs over WebDAV should work fine if you run something that supports WebDAV as a filesystem (e.g. OSX), but that's not going to help you much. There are two options I can think of. 1. If your designers aren't making use of checkin/checkout in DreamWeaver, then simply make it clear to them that before they can save a file to the server, they have to do a sync first. Make the final repository sit on CVS, and do a checkin every night. So if something does go wrong you can at least pick up the previous day's work. 2. DreamWeaver's locking mechanism is handled by placing lock files on the server. Those files have the info about who has what. It ought to be possible to write an emacs extension that would use those files. === From: "Rob Bloodgood" <robb@empire2.com> To: "Kee Hinckley" <nazgul@somewhere.com> Cc: "mod_perl" <modperl@perl.apache.org> Subject: RE: [WOT] emacs and WEBDAV Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 15:22:21 -0800 > At 11:30 AM -0800 3/14/02, Rob Bloodgood wrote: > >The problem is, concurrency. Dreamweaver has versioning built > >in... but emacs has no way to recognize it. So when I make a fix > >to a file, if the designers aren't explicitly instructed to > > >refresh-from-the-website-via-ftp, my changes get hosed. > > Versioning, no. Locking, yes, optionally. (Well, I guess it can do > versioning via SourceSafe, but not via anything else.) I'm seriously > hoping they'll address that in the next release. <sigh> I meant locking. Not versioning. e-Foot in e-Mouth. > Emacs over WebDAV should work fine if you run something that supports > WebDAV as a filesystem (e.g. OSX), but that's not going to help you > much. If we're talking about LOCKING, is this statement still true? > There are two options I can think of. > > 1. If your designers aren't making use of checkin/checkout in > DreamWeaver, then simply make it clear to them that before they can > save a file to the server, they have to do a sync first. Make the > final repository sit on CVS, and do a checkin every night. So if > something does go wrong you can at least pick up the previous day's > work. That (the train-them-to-sync-first part) has been what I've been forced to do so far. I haven't gone so far as to set up a CVS for the website tho. Thx for the, I'll look into it. > 2. DreamWeaver's locking mechanism is handled by placing lock files > on the server. Those files have the info about who has what. It > ought to be possible to write an emacs extension that would use those > files. Certainly. But my original message mentioned the REAL source of my frustration: I'm pretty limited at elisp, otherwise I might have already had this worked out. :-) L8r, Rob === Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 14:44:01 +0900 From: Tatsuhiko Miyagawa <miyagawa@edge.co.jp> To: "Rob Bloodgood" <robb@empire2.com> Cc: "mod_perl" <modperl@perl.apache.org> Subject: Re: [WOT] emacs and WEBDAV At Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:30:54 -0800, Rob Bloodgood wrote: > DW also speaks WEBDAV natively, but emacs does not. Emacs speaks CVS Eldav: Yet another WebDAV interface for Emacsen http://www.gohome.org/eldav/ === To: modperl@apache.org Subject: Re: [WOT] emacs and WEBDAV From: Michael Alan Dorman <mdorman@debian.org> Date: 14 Mar 2002 17:35:08 -0500 "Rob Bloodgood" <robb@empire2.com> writes: > DW also speaks WEBDAV natively, but emacs does not. Not natively, but there is a DAV mode for emacs, apparently fairly new. From the Debian package: Package: eldav Priority: optional Section: net Installed-Size: 61 Maintainer: Fumitoshi UKAI <ukai@debian.or.jp> Architecture: all Version: 0.0.20020311-1 Depends: emacs21 | emacsen, nd (>= 0.5.0) Filename: pool/main/e/eldav/eldav_0.0.20020311-1_all.deb Size: 14286 MD5sum: 71271d5d4998dcdb78f83d79e98a4f75 Description: an interface to the WebDAV servers for Emacs. WebDAV files can be treated just like a normal file in Emacsen. Emacs/w3 is not required. External program is used for WebDAV access. === Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 15:40:01 -0600 From: "Keith G. Murphy" <keithmur@mindspring.com> To: Kee Hinckley <nazgul@somewhere.com>, mod_perl <modperl@perl.apache.org> Subject: Re: [WOT] emacs and WEBDAV Kee Hinckley wrote: > > Emacs over WebDAV should work fine if you run something that supports > WebDAV as a filesystem (e.g. OSX), but that's not going to help you > much. > If you're running Linux, this looks like fun: http://sourceforge.net/projects/dav There's also kiwifs: http://kiwi.stanford.edu If you're only running Linux on the server, well, maybe you could roll something with samba (maybe you would need kernel oplocks?). Seems like all the good stuff is for Linux, doesn't it? ;-) ===