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From: "David Simcik" <dave@simcik.com> To: <modperl@apache.org> Subject: Site Host Providers that Support mod_perl? Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 11:47:24 -0500 Alright, I'm a total mod_perl newbie and would like to find a host for my personal site that allows me to develop mod_perl scripts. First off, I'm assuming that there is no way to install mod_perl on my current provider due to (obvious) access privilige restrictions to Apache? Secondly, the obvious question here, whom would you folks recommend for hosting services, assuming the afforementioned? === Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 01:10:33 +0800 From: Stas Bekman <stas@stason.org> To: David Simcik <dave@simcik.com> Cc: modperl@apache.org Subject: Re: Site Host Providers that Support mod_perl? David Simcik wrote: > Alright, I'm a total mod_perl newbie and would like to find a host for my > personal site that allows me to develop mod_perl scripts. First off, I'm > assuming that there is no way to install mod_perl on my current provider due > to (obvious) access privilige restrictions to Apache? you can be surprised :) you can. you won't be able to run it on ports < 1024, but other than that, no prob. See http://perl.apache.org/guide/install.html#Installation_Without_Superuser_P > Secondly, the obvious > question here, whom would you folks recommend for hosting services, assuming > the afforementioned? Not sure if this will help, but try: http://perl.apache.org/isp.html I'm looking forward for people sending me updated info and new hosts!!! I mean that. Please! p.s. David, you will probably want to check what the mod_perl guide and other docs on the perl.apache.org have to offer, since you probably will have more questions in the future. === From: "Tagore Smith" <tagore@tagoresmith.com> To: <modperl@perl.apache.org> Subject: Re: Site Host Providers that Support mod_perl? Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 07:20:41 -0500 Fran Fabrizio wrote: > I thought I had posted to this thread yesterday but looking back I don't > see that it showed up, so I'll try again. :) > > I'm also looking for good mod_perl-supporting ISPs. Recently I went > through the list on the web site, and either the links were broken, or > the sites made no mention of supporting mod_perl. The best I've managed > to find on my own is an ISP that starts supporting it at the $250/month > level! Yikes. =) The inaccuracy of the list doesn't surprise me since > the ISP world has experienced so much turnover and turmoil in the last > couple of years. I'd be willing to compile a list of ISPs that you all > know about and/or use, and forward that on to the web site maintainer. > > I know one option is to run your own mod-perl enabled apache but I > imagine that a lot of ISPs would get pretty upset about you running > servers (especially ones that love memory) on non-privileged ports, if > they even allow connections to those ports in the first place. > > My ideal setup would be to be able to colocate one of my servers and > just use the ISP's bandwidth, but those plans are all pretty pricey. > So, I'd really like to have a good ISP that supports mod_perl that I can > afford because I'd enjoy being able to play around and create sites that > use mod_perl outside of work. Of course, I can do it at home, but it's > not the best place to host a web app, it'd have an audience of one. =) You might look at ISPs that offer virtual server (as opposed to vhost) hosting. For example Netmode- http://www.netmode.com -offers dedicated IP hosting starting at about $50.00/month. You get a shell account and can compile and run anything you want (as long as it doesn't do anything destructive), and connect to any privileged or non-privileged port. You get your own apache process. You can set up vhosts and resell the hosting if that's your cup of tea. The downside is that their ulimits on memory are quite low. I tried to compile postgres and failed because gcc uses a _lot_ of memory compiling bison generated parsers. I still haven't written to them about this- it may be that they are just using FreeBSD default settings which are quite stingy if I recall correctly. Anyway, if you don't need to handle heavy traffic it's a flexible, affordable setup. And the servers include a dynamically loadable mod_perl by default. === Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 11:34:57 -0500 From: Fran Fabrizio <ffabrizio@mmrd.com> To: modperl@apache.org Subject: Re: Site Host Providers that Support mod_perl? David Simcik wrote: > Alright, I'm a total mod_perl newbie and would like to > find a host for my personal site that allows me to develop > mod_perl scripts. First off, I'm assuming that there is no > way to install mod_perl on my current provider due to > (obvious) access privilige restrictions to Apache? > Secondly, the obvious question here, whom would you folks > recommend for hosting services, assuming the > afforementioned? I thought I had posted to this thread yesterday but looking back I don't see that it showed up, so I'll try again. :) I'm also looking for good mod_perl-supporting ISPs. Recently I went through the list on the web site, and either the links were broken, or the sites made no mention of supporting mod_perl. The best I've managed to find on my own is an ISP that starts supporting it at the $250/month level! Yikes. =) The inaccuracy of the list doesn't surprise me since the ISP world has experienced so much turnover and turmoil in the last couple of years. I'd be willing to compile a list of ISPs that you all know about and/or use, and forward that on to the web site maintainer. I know one option is to run your own mod-perl enabled apache but I imagine that a lot of ISPs would get pretty upset about you running servers (especially ones that love memory) on non-privileged ports, if they even allow connections to those ports in the first place. My ideal setup would be to be able to colocate one of my servers and just use the ISP's bandwidth, but those plans are all pretty pricey. So, I'd really like to have a good ISP that supports mod_perl that I can afford because I'd enjoy being able to play around and create sites that use mod_perl outside of work. Of course, I can do it at home, but it's not the best place to host a web app, it'd have an audience of one. =) === Subject: RE: Site Host Providers that Support mod_perl? Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 10:38:34 -0600 From: "Joe Breeden" <jbreeden@ena.com> To: <modperl@apache.org> Fran Fabrizio [mailto:ffabrizio@mmrd.com] wrote: > David Simcik wrote: > > Alright, I'm a total mod_perl newbie and would like to > > find a host for my personal site that allows me to > > develop mod_perl scripts. First off, I'm assuming that > > there is no way to install mod_perl on my current > > provider due to (obvious) access privilige restrictions > > to Apache? Secondly, the obvious question here, whom > > would you folks recommend for hosting services, assuming > > the afforementioned? > I thought I had posted to this thread yesterday but > looking back I don't see that it showed up, so I'll try > again. :) > I'm also looking for good mod_perl-supporting ISPs. > Recently I went through the list on the web site, and > either the links were broken, or the sites made no mention > of supporting mod_perl. The best I've managed to find on > my own is an ISP that starts supporting it at the > $250/month level! Yikes. =) The inaccuracy of the list > doesn't surprise me since the ISP world has experienced so > much turnover and turmoil in the last couple of years. > I'd be willing to compile a list of ISPs that you all know > about and/or use, and forward that on to the web site > maintainer. > I know one option is to run your own mod-perl enabled > apache but I imagine that a lot of ISPs would get pretty > upset about you running servers (especially ones that love > memory) on non-privileged ports, if they even allow > connections to those ports in the first place. > My ideal setup would be to be able to colocate one of my > servers and just use the ISP's bandwidth, but those plans > are all pretty pricey. So, I'd really like to have a good > ISP that supports mod_perl that I can afford because I'd > enjoy being able to play around and create sites that use > mod_perl outside of work. Of course, I can do it at home, > but it's not the best place to host a web app, it'd have > an audience of one. =) I use a small ISP in Cookeville to co-locate my equipment. They charge $79.00 per month for co-location charges. It is a no-frills setup, so you should provide your own UPS as they do not have power generators. They have been in business since 1995 and I don't see them going away any time soon. I wouldn't recommend putting a machine that is going to stream a lot data, but something to do a reasonable amount of ecommerce/data serving should ok for their bandwidth ( around 6Mbps with about 25 hosted servers and 300/400 dialup lines in the facility where the server would be co-located). If you, or anyone, contact them, please mention that I sent you. ... their URL for those interested (http://www.multipro.com/hosting.html ). === From: "Sergey Maretskiy" <ms@100top.ru> To: <modperl@apache.org> Subject: Re: Site Host Providers that Support mod_perl? Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 21:03:40 +0300 "Fran Fabrizio" <ffabrizio@mmrd.com> wrote: > David Simcik wrote: > > Alright, I'm a total mod_perl newbie and would like to > > find a host for my personal site that allows me to > > develop mod_perl scripts. First off, I'm assuming that > > there is no way to install mod_perl on my current > > provider due to (obvious) access privilige restrictions > > to Apache? Secondly, the obvious question here, whom > > would you folks recommend for hosting services, assuming > > the afforementioned? > I thought I had posted to this thread yesterday but looking back I don't > see that it showed up, so I'll try again. :) > > I'm also looking for good mod_perl-supporting ISPs. Recently I went > through the list on the web site, and either the links were broken, or > the sites made no mention of supporting mod_perl. The best I've managed > to find on my own is an ISP that starts supporting it at the $250/month > level! Yikes. =) The inaccuracy of the list doesn't surprise me since > the ISP world has experienced so much turnover and turmoil in the last > couple of years. I'd be willing to compile a list of ISPs that you all > know about and/or use, and forward that on to the web site maintainer. > > I know one option is to run your own mod-perl enabled apache but I > imagine that a lot of ISPs would get pretty upset about you running > servers (especially ones that love memory) on non-privileged ports, if > they even allow connections to those ports in the first place. > > My ideal setup would be to be able to colocate one of my servers and > just use the ISP's bandwidth, but those plans are all pretty pricey. > So, I'd really like to have a good ISP that supports mod_perl that I can > afford because I'd enjoy being able to play around and create sites that > use mod_perl outside of work. Of course, I can do it at home, but it's > not the best place to host a web app, it'd have an audience of one. =) Sorry my bad English. There is ISP Zenon http://zenon.net I think Zenon is the best of those providing professional hosting services and they rank first by number of clients hosted in Russia. They offer personal httpd with mod_perl (running as backend), shell, gcc, personal MySQL and PostgreSQL DBs etc. for $45/month. They also pay a lot of attention to security (for example, personal httpd is actually given to each client even on smaller plans where you don't have access to httpd.conf, so users cannot walk by each other account data etc.) Unfortunatly English part of their site is very poor and I don't know if they provide same good international services as local. But may be you will have success with them! === Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 14:06:52 -0500 (EST) From: "Brett W. McCoy" <bmccoy@chapelperilous.net> To: Fran Fabrizio <ffabrizio@mmrd.com> Subject: Re: Site Host Providers that Support mod_perl? On Thu, 7 Mar 2002, Fran Fabrizio wrote: > My ideal setup would be to be able to colocate one of my servers and > just use the ISP's bandwidth, but those plans are all pretty pricey. > So, I'd really like to have a good ISP that supports mod_perl that I can > afford because I'd enjoy being able to play around and create sites that > use mod_perl outside of work. Of course, I can do it at home, but it's > not the best place to host a web app, it'd have an audience of one. =) If you had something like Speakeasy DSL or a similar provider that allows you to run your own servers, you can run a server out of your house and use mod_perl and have fun. === Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 14:13:39 -0500 From: Fran Fabrizio <ffabrizio@mmrd.com> To: "Brett W. McCoy" <bmccoy@chapelperilous.net> Subject: Re: Site Host Providers that Support mod_perl? > If you had something like Speakeasy DSL or a similar provider that allows > you to run your own servers, you can run a server out of your house and > use mod_perl and have fun. I actually have BellSouth dsl. I've never perused their acceptable use policy, but I never thought it was a good idea to host a site at home because of a lot of things....I have to open port 80 and then I'd have to worry even more about security, it's dynamic IP and my IP refreshes fairly regularly and the dyndns service that I use sometimes lags by as much as 15 minutes in its updates. I live in a thunderstorm-rich area, our power is constantly going out, etc... then again, what I'd like to host isn't mission critical so maybe I'll rethink that...I've gotten some good feedback so far, thanks to everyone! I still would like to find either an ISP or a colo, because the other half of it is that I do a good deal of freelance work on sites, and having the option to resell a hosting agreement that supports mod_perl and then having mod_perl at my disposal for app development is attractive. I certainly would not want to host that kind of thing at home. === From: "Marc Slagle" <marc.slagle@securelevel.com> To: <modperl@perl.apache.org> Subject: Re: Site Host Providers that Support mod_perl? Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:01:04 -0500 > Alright, I'm a total mod_perl newbie and would like to > find a host for my personal site that allows me to develop > mod_perl scripts. First off, I'm assuming that there is no > way to install mod_perl on my current provider due to > (obvious) access privilige restrictions to Apache? > Secondly, the obvious question here, whom would you folks > recommend for hosting services, assuming the > afforementioned? Secure Level provides mod_perl hosting. We have two packages. The first is $80/month, and you get 4gb throughput, your own httpd/IP address, no memory limits (as long as you don't kill the server) and 25 Mb storage space. Its $65/month if you pre-pay one year. The second package is $10 less a month if you dont need your own IP address, and want to run on a non-standard port. Our facility is fed by 18 OC-192 connections, so heavy traffic isn't that much of an issue. http://www.securelevel.com === Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 23:53:38 +0100 From: c.hauser@itassistance.ch To: "David Simcik" <dave@simcik.com>, Fran Fabrizio <ffabrizio@mmrd.com> Subject: Re: Site Host Providers that Support mod_perl? "David Simcik" <dave@simcik.com> wrote: > Alright, I'm a total mod_perl newbie and would like to > find a host for my personal site that allows me to develop > mod_perl scripts. First off, I'm assuming that there is no > way to install mod_perl on my current provider due to > (obvious) access privilige restrictions to Apache? > Secondly, the obvious question here, whom would you folks > recommend for hosting services, assuming the > afforementioned? My company and Simplicity Ltd. are offering dedicated hosting, this includes: - A or some virtual host with access to own httpd.conf over Webmin - Ability to restart the server (!). - DNS for multiple hosts/domains, also the ones not with us. - FTP access by dedicated IP. - Mail domain and account mgmt. over Webmin. - Standard stats per domain. - Optionally mySQL account. - And of course mod_perl installed! - HTML::Mason ready (others upon request) - Midgard ready (sorry to mention this :-) The price? This might be very individual, not much cheaper than others (the economic ones). It really depends on traffic 10 MB or 10 GB per Month (including mail) or on additional RAM load (no cache limits, sexy servers). We specialize on individual services for SMB's who want to keep control over basic technologies. Feel free to give some details on your hosting project and you will get a straight offer. === Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 10:52:53 +0800 From: Stas Bekman <stas@stason.org> To: c.hauser@itassistance.ch Cc: David Simcik <dave@simcik.com>, Fran Fabrizio <ffabrizio@mmrd.com>, Subject: Re: Site Host Providers that Support mod_perl? c.hauser@itassistance.ch wrote: > My company and Simplicity Ltd. are offering dedicated hosting, this > includes: > > - A or some virtual host with access to own httpd.conf over Webmin > - Ability to restart the server (!). > - DNS for multiple hosts/domains, also the ones not with us. > - FTP access by dedicated IP. > - Mail domain and account mgmt. over Webmin. > - Standard stats per domain. > - Optionally mySQL account. > > - And of course mod_perl installed! > > - HTML::Mason ready (others upon request) > - Midgard ready (sorry to mention this :-) > > The price? This might be very individual, not much cheaper than > others (the economic ones). It really depends on traffic 10 MB or 10 > GB per Month (including mail) or on additional RAM load (no cache > limits, sexy servers). We specialize on individual services for SMB's > who want to keep control over basic technologies. Feel free to give > some details on your hosting project and you will get a straight offer. Guys, if you want to be listed here: http://perl.apache.org/isp.html You must provide the URL advertising your service (assuming that you provide mod_perl hosting). Thanks! === From: "Lara J. Fabans" <lara@lodestone-sw.com> To: <modperl@apache.org> Subject: Re: Site Host Providers that Support mod_perl Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 09:18:49 -0800 I can recommend edgegate.net. He's just getting started. You can email joeb@edgegate.net for more information. === Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 14:12:30 -0700 From: The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> To: "Lara J. Fabans" <lara@lodestone-sw.com> Cc: modperl@apache.org Subject: Re: Site Host Providers that Support mod_perl Tye http://www.nk.ca ===