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balug-talk <balug-talk@balug.org> Subject: Re: Is this the correct forum? From: Chris Maresca <ckm@crust.net> Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 09:25:31 -0700 (PDT) On Tue, 4 Apr 2000, Todd Cary wrote: > Also, I would like to know what is out there for backend development. I > have been using a great product, WebHub, that is written in Delphi, but > that will have no value in the Linux world. My preference would *not* > to have to use Perl or C++ since some of the Web apps require that they > get up on a server quickly (class action lawsuits). Anyone have any > experience with PHP? I guess there is ColdFusion, Linux flavor, but I > am spoiled with the flexibility of WebHub. Personally, I like PHP, although mod_perl will give you the exact same thing with Perl. However, PHP is much easier to learn, has more web-specific modules available and is fairly robust. I would also look at JSP and Servlets if I were you, esp. the open source java app. servers (enhydra and locomotive come to mind). They are flexible, extendable and will allow you to switch easily to a commercial java app. server if you feel you need it. I though that Delphi was being ported to Linux... === Subject: Re: Is this the correct forum? From: Rick Moen <rick@linuxmafia.com> Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 09:39:34 -0700 Quoting Chris Maresca (ckm@crust.net): > I though that Delphi was being ported to Linux... http://www.borland.com/about/press/1999/linuxdev.html Excerpt: "Project Kylix is currently planned to be a Linux component-based development environment for two-way visual development of graphical user interface (GUI), Internet, database, and server applications. Plans are for Project Kylix to be powered by a new high-speed native C/C++/Delphi compiler for Linux and will implement a Linux version of the Borland VCL (Visual Component Library) architecture. The Borland VCL for Linux will be designed to radically speed native Linux application development and simplify the porting of Delphi and C++Builder applications between Windows and Linux." === Subject: Re: Is this the correct forum? From: Deirdre Saoirse <deirdre@deirdre.net> Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 10:13:05 -0700 (PDT) On Tue, 4 Apr 2000, Chris Maresca wrote: > Personally, I like PHP, although mod_perl will give you the exact same > thing with Perl. However, PHP is much easier to learn, has more > web-specific modules available and is fairly robust. What Chris said. PHP rocks. > I would also look at JSP and Servlets if I were you, esp. the open source > java app. servers (enhydra and locomotive come to mind). They are > flexible, extendable and will allow you to switch easily to a commercial > java app. server if you feel you need it. Ugh. Java. I have good reason to dislike Java. It had a tendency to wake me up in the middle of the night. === Subject: Re: Is this the correct forum? From: Rick Moen <rick@linuxmafia.com> Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 11:22:15 -0700 Quoting Todd Cary (todd@aristesoftware.com): > Is there a forum for PHP (in English)? See mailings lists detailed at http://www.php.net/support.php3 === Subject: Re: Is this the correct forum? From: Joe Brenner <doom@kzsu.stanford.edu> Date: Tue, 04 Apr 2000 12:07:18 -0700 Chris Maresca <ckm@crust.net> wrote: > Personally, I like PHP, although mod_perl will give you the exact same > thing with Perl. However, PHP is much easier to learn, has more > web-specific modules available and is fairly robust. I hesitate to wade in to this festering den of perl-haters, but can you explain what you mean by that? "More web-specific modules"? Since pretty much all PHP does is web stuff, I suppose any of their modules would have to be web-specific, but there's not exactly a shortage of web oriented code implemented in perl. === Subject: Re: Is this the correct forum? From: Deirdre Saoirse <deirdre@deirdre.net> Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 12:36:47 -0700 (PDT) On Tue, 4 Apr 2000, Joe Brenner wrote: > I hesitate to wade in to this festering den of perl-haters, > but can you explain what you mean by that? "More > web-specific modules"? Since pretty much all PHP does is > web stuff, I suppose any of their modules would have to be > web-specific, but there's not exactly a shortage of > web oriented code implemented in perl. Perl was not designed from the start to be a language for the web though. PHP was. It shows. I've seen a lot of people migrating FROM perl to PHP, Java and Python. === Subject: Re: Is this the correct forum? From: Chris Maresca <ckm@crust.net> Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 13:19:28 -0700 (PDT) Small things like creating PDFs on the fly, database connection pooling, WDDX support, XML support, etc. === Subject: Re: Is this the correct forum? From: Joey Hess <joey@kitenet.net> Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 14:04:06 -0700 Deirdre Saoirse wrote: > Perl was not designed from the start to be a language for the web though. > PHP was. It shows. > > I've seen a lot of people migrating FROM perl to PHP, Java and Python. On the other hand, I've heard PHP described as taking the worst syntactical bits of perl and C and combining them to make them even more confusing. Disclaimer: I've never used php. ===