security_through_diversity

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Subject: Re: Linux Security
From: Frank Carreiro <fcarreiro@keylabs.com>
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 16:51:59 +0000


On Wed, 31 May 2000, Krikofer wrote:
> 
> Hi.  My friend had told me that Linux does not have a good firewall.
> Linux can be broken into easily (according to his job's system
> administrator).  Would any of you know if this is true?  He says his
> friend likes Linux.  Any facts?

While no system is 100% secure, I've tweaked my linux system to the
point that most people simply give up when trying to break into my Linux
box.  I run SAINT and nmape on a regular basis and check my logs
regularly.  I've seen people port scan me and try all sorts of tricks to
get in.  After a few minutes they seem to simply give up in favor of
those systems with less secure setups (why spend hours to get into
nothing?).

Point is this, you setup outta the box a linux system and don't tweak it
your inviting problems.  Same goes for Windoze.  No service packs?  Your
again inviting problems.  Heck, Micro$oft recommends staying up to the
latest service packs?  Why?  The same reason you need to tweak your
system and keep up to date.  Things change ... always go.

Frank

www.xmission.com/~dmacleod

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Subject: Re: Linux Security
From: Alan Mead <adm@ipat.com>
Date: Wed, 31 May 2000 13:44:52 -0500


At 01:12 AM 5/31/00 , Krikofer wrote:
>Hi.  My friend had told me that Linux does not have a good 
>firewall.  Linux can be broken into easily (according to his job's system 
>administrator).  Would any of you know if this is true?  He says his 
>friend likes Linux.  Any facts?
>
>CH

This is a topic sure to get a lot of comments.  Ditto what
everyone said.  Let me add that I don't know what a "good
firewall" is but it sounds obviously wrong.

So there's one fact.  Next, I've seen studies on the web
that suggest that Microsoft's server security is worse than
Linux.  What they did was to monitor the date when a
vulnerability in a service was posted to bugtraq and the
date when a fix became available from the service's vendor.
One study compared Red Hat, Microsoft, and Sun.  More
recently I saw a study that just tracked vulnerabilities
that included apple and other operating systems.  The
perception that Microsoft OS's are written and deployed with
fewer vulnerabilities or that they fix them "better" is
apparently factually incorrect.  The facts actually
encourage the opposite view.

Leaving facts aside, there is certainly the perception that
Unix is more vulnerable but I think that's just a
perception.  As far as I can tell, the level of acumen of
the sys admin is the biggest factor, probably the lion's
share, of the variance in security.  So from a security
perspective, it may be adaptive for untrained, unskilled sys
admins from installing mission-critical applications on
Linux machines.  But I think security has to be viewed in
proper context; Linux offers a lot of other advantages and
I'm guessing that 95% of Linux knowledge and skills are
acquired by installing Linux and running it.  In fact,
getting cracked is a pretty good way to learn about
security.

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