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To: svlug@svlug.org
Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 16:25:47 -0800
From: Will Francis <wfrancis@incyte.com>
Subject: [svlug] email editor


ok, I've got the itch to change my email editor. I use nmh remotely
for personal mail and nmh/exmh for work mail. I'm mostly looking to
replace the horrible "sedit" that comes with exmh, which is an X11
editor, though if I can get what I want in a shell editor, I'll happily
pipe it into an xterm.

Please, let's not make this into a flame war

Here's my wish list:

small and lightweight with fast start times
accepts vi commands for movement and editing
minimal mouse usage needed for menus and such
spell checker

ok, here's the big one and what really rules vi itself out:
sane inline paragraph formatting. This is to say that if I remove words
from the middle of a paragraph, I want the text to automatically rejustify.
Yes, I have vi macros which (mostly ok) do this now, but frankly I'm really 
tired of it. Even tiny editor boxes in input boxes in browsers have this. 
Yes, I know that this is not going over the network and I can understand
how delaying paragraph justifacation is a good thing over a slow link, but
locally at work or even to my remote machine the links are fast enough that
I don't see this as a problem for lightweight email editing.

A look through freshmeat shows either heavy editors meant for hours on 
end programming, pico clones (shudder), mouse intensive notepad like
editors with no concept of margins and lots of random whatnot that would
take days to sift through.

so... I turn it over to you. Is there anything out there which would
suit my desires?

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To: Will Francis <wfrancis@incyte.com>
Cc: svlug@svlug.org
Subject: Re: [svlug] email editor 
Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2002 18:15:55 -0800
From: J C Lawrence <claw@kanga.nu>

On Thu, 03 Jan 2002 16:25:47 -0800 
Will Francis <wfrancis@incyte.com> wrote:

> small and lightweight with fast start times 
> accepts vi commands for movement and editing 
> minimal mouse usage needed for menus and such 
> spell checker

(X)Emacs using gnuclient to invoke edit sessions (instead of
launching it anew every time) using Viper mode for the vi key
bindings, with SuperCite for post formatting and FlySpell for spell
checking would seem to satisfy.


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Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2002 13:39:00 -0500
From: Bill Jonas <bill@billjonas.com>
To: svlug@svlug.org
Subject: Re: [svlug] email editor


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On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 04:25:47PM -0800, Will Francis wrote:
> ok, here's the big one and what really rules vi itself out: sane
> inline paragraph formatting.

How about vim?  You can reformat arbitrary ranges of characters to
whatever width you currently have your textwidth set to with
"gq<motion>", or use a text object, like "ip".  ("gqip" will reformat
the "inner paragraph", ie, whichever paragraph your curson is currently
in.)  It will also preserve quoting characters like "> " at the
beginning of the reformatted lines.  See ":help gq" and ":help
text-objects" for more information.  (These commands work in vim 5.6 and
probably at least a few earlier versions.)

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