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From: "David E. Weekly" <david@weekly.org> To: "Aaron T Porter" <atporter@primate.net>, Subject: Re: [svlug] secondary dns Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 13:11:22 -0800 EveryDNS.net Free. Open Source-based. Community-supported. Four points-of-presence, soon to be eight. === Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 13:39:08 -0800 From: J C Lawrence <claw@kanga.nu> On Fri, 18 Jan 2002 13:11:22 -0800 David E Weekly <david@weekly.org> wrote: > EveryDNS.net Free. Open Source-based. Not quite. Its based on DJB's tinydns. === From: "Aaron T Porter" <atporter@primate.net> To: "David E. Weekly" <david@weekly.org> Cc: <svlug@svlug.org> Subject: Re: [svlug] secondary dns On Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 01:11:22PM -0800, David E. Weekly wrote: > EveryDNS.net > > Free. Open Source-based. Community-supported. Four points-of-presence, > soon to be eight. DJB's software doesn't meet the Open Source definition. I'd prefer not to use it. === From: "David E. Weekly" <david@weekly.org> To: "J C Lawrence" <claw@kanga.nu> Cc: "Aaron T Porter" <atporter@primate.net>, Subject: Re: [svlug] secondary dns Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:09:23 -0800 JC, As surely as the wind blows, you're entitled to your own feelings about the utility of such a system, but the 3500+ accounts, 1600+ domains, and 5600+ DNS records in EveryDNS seem to indicate that somebody at least found such a service useful. =) It's DNS registration + DNS hosting + Net services (web+other things) that make a 1-2-3 combo that might actually be useful for people. Myself, I'm focusing on providing infrastructure for individuals, non-profits, and Open Source projects with my California Community Colocation Project: http://communitycolo.net/. (Incidentally, it may be the first non-profit in the world to focus exclusively on providing colocated Internet services to non-profits.) Since I'm friends with EveryDNS's founder, I'd be happy to pass back any constructive feedback you might have on their services. === To: Aaron T Porter <atporter@primate.net> Cc: svlug@svlug.org Subject: Re: [svlug] secondary dns Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:26:20 -0800 From: J C Lawrence <claw@kanga.nu> On Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:03:11 -0800 Aaron T Porter <Aaron> wrote: > I would disagree. Many of the free/cheap alteratives are stinky. I can't comment on how many suck, or what the percentage is (I haven't used such a service for several years now), however minimal poking about search engines suggests that its a well populated space which in turn suggests a standard market: nost vendors suck at least somewhat and there are a relative few really good sources. As previously mentioned EasyDNS is ~$25 per annum which seems cheap enough to be almost ignorable, especially given the value-adds on their service (geographically distributed servers, secondary MXing, etc) for a noticeably high quality service. They don't however do DynDNS (which has more vendors than I can shake a stick at). Secondary.com dominates the free secondary name server business -- enough that the lists I'm on devoted to community/public DNS issues have near died. > I prefer rely on friends, but not everyone has the luxury of a > rolodex full of unix admins with reliable personal systems. I used to rely on friends but I found the unreliable -- not because they were poor friends, but because the moved house, moved servers, had other people with root on their boxes who didn't know about the arrangement, just forgot about it, etc. So I went the $25/year route -- cheap insurance. > Tack onto that the growing prevalance of broadband pipes with > dynamic ips, and it starts to sound even better. I really like > what EveryDNS is doing, just not how they're going about it. Oh, I don't dislike it or even complain about it, just question its value. === Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:00:09 -0600 From: David Ulevitch <davidu@everydns.net> To: svlug@svlug.org Subject: [svlug] Responses to criticisms and questions Hello svlug'ers, A couple of you passed on this thread about everydns and I just wanted to take a moment of your time to respond. Aaron T. Porter writes: > I would disagree. Many of the free/cheap alteratives are stinky. I > prefer rely on friends, but not everyone has the luxury of a rolodex full > of unix admins with reliable personal systems. Tack onto that the growing > prevalance of broadband pipes with dynamic ips, and it starts to sound > even better. I agree that most of the alternatives are "stinky" which is why I started my project. A majority of our users are on cable, homeDSL or some other sort of non-business line. However, it is interesting to note that there is a sizeable number of users who use us for their webhosted domains simply for the fact they don't want to rely on some company (either the new one or the old one) to do dns updates for them when they change companies. > I really like what EveryDNS is doing, just not how they're going > about it. You say that as if I've done something wrong. I haven't. I use TinyDNS because it's source is open and I can manage the code base however I want with no restrictions. I'm fully aware of why I will never find DJB's code on the main/ tree of my favorite debian mirror but because it's secure, stable, fast and free I choose it over the Buggy Internet Name Daemon. I'm a big fan of Opensource and use it everyday, however it isn't like I can send patches to ISC for bind. Also, in case you aren't aware, development for bind9 is behind closed doors. What DNS daemon do you use? (MaraDNS? I doubt it) _END_ J C Lawrence writes: > Oh, I don't dislike it or even complain about it, just question its > value. Okay, that's fine. You are more then welcome to send me your IPs and I'll just add you to our ingress and egress firewall rules so you'll never mistakenly get a packet from me or anybody else who uses my nameservers for resolution. I am not forcing or even asking you to use the service. Then again, your opinion is yours to have, despite it being moot. _END_ J C Lawrence also wrote: > EasyDNS does not do Dynamic DNS. DynamicDNS.org does not offer > secondary MXing, globally distributed DNS servers (all continents), > or full control over your zone file. Actually, we do Static DNS, Dynamic DNS, Dynamic Zoning (a whole dynamic zone framework), AXFR service, and Secondary service. We have nameservers in the Netherlands, Freemont, San Diego and as of today have gotten space at Inflow in St. Louis for a couple more boxes. I doubt we will ever put a box at the south pole but you never know. We are also going to be releasing a backup MX feature that adds way more then your average MX. We have the ability to enforce quotas, filters, time-expiration, holds, pushes and the ability to view the mail in the queue from a remote machine while the primary mail server is still down. I'd like to see another MX provider (esp. the for-cost ones) compare to that. They can't. Thanks, David Ulevitch mailto:davidu@everydns.net Founder, EveryDNS.net http://www.everydns.net === To: David Ulevitch <davidu@everydns.net> Cc: svlug@svlug.org Subject: Re: [svlug] Responses to criticisms and questions Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 15:28:42 -0800 From: J C Lawrence <claw@kanga.nu> On Fri, 18 Jan 2002 17:00:09 -0600 David Ulevitch <davidu@everydns.net> wrote: > ... however it isn't like I can send patches to ISC for bind. Actually, you can. As always they might not get accepted. In my case it got me on towards a job interview (at which point they revealed that they had an already better patch in the works). > Also, in case you aren't aware, development for bind9 is behind > closed doors. What DNS daemon do you use? (MaraDNS? I doubt it) I don't care where the development occurs, or even particularly how, or behind what doors. (Heck, I was the project manager for Linux/IA64, and that was all covered by NDAs, behind closed doors, and generally in the super-sekrit category) Most of the Open Source bits I'm actively involved with are run by single dictator developers. Active ad-hoc community participation is not a defining criteria for an Open Source project. Licensing is the defining characteristic. Nominum is responsive to their developed-for user base for design criteria, patch acceptance, and support discussion. As happens neither of us fall into their target user-base market (I'm assuming that you don't work for a root server or core ISP). OTOH I know people in that space, and Nominum is quite responsive and civic minded there. >> Oh, I don't dislike it or even complain about it, just question >> its value. > Okay, that's fine. You are more then welcome to send me your IPs > and I'll just add you to our ingress and egress firewall rules so > you'll never mistakenly get a packet from me or anybody else who > uses my nameservers for resolution. I am not forcing or even > asking you to use the service. Then again, your opinion is yours > to have, despite it being moot. Ptui. You're being silly. >> EasyDNS does not do Dynamic DNS. DynamicDNS.org does not offer >> secondary MXing, globally distributed DNS servers (all >> continents), or full control over your zone file. > Actually, we do... Please note the names quoted above. They are not typoes for EveryDNS. > ... Static DNS, Dynamic DNS, Dynamic Zoning (a whole dynamic zone > framework), AXFR service, and Secondary service. We have > nameservers in the Netherlands, Freemont, San Diego and as of > today have gotten space at Inflow in St. Louis for a couple more > boxes. I doubt we will ever put a box at the south pole but you > never know. My interest specifically is: One box on each US coast (At least) one in continental Europe. One in Australia One in Hong Kong If things continue developing they way they are, Singapore may become interesting as well. > We are also going to be releasing a backup MX feature that adds > way more then your average MX. We have the ability to enforce > quotas, filters, time-expiration, holds, pushes and the ability to > view the mail in the queue from a remote machine while the primary > mail server is still down. I'd like to see another MX provider > (esp. the for-cost ones) compare to that. They can't. This could be very interesting. The devil is in the details. ===