svlug_pounding_away_at_terminology

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Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 15:58:22 -0800
To: svlug@lists.svlug.org
Subject: Re: [svlug] pound bang splat
From: Rick Moen <rick@linuxmafia.com>

begin  Dan Beimborn quotation:

> # = "pound"

Not if you aspire to communicate with the rest of the English-speaking
world.  The term "pound" already refers to a currency symbol.

"Hash" lacks that problem, and is what I use.

"Octothorpe" was the winner of a naming competition for the "hash"
symbol, in William Safire's language column a number of years ago.
That has resulted in the term achieving its current, approximately zero
percent mindshare, and still rising.  

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Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 16:15:31 -0800
To: Don Marti <dmarti@zgp.org>
Cc: svlug@svlug.org
Subject: Re: [svlug] how to pronounce ~
From: Chris Waters <xtifr@dsp.net>

On Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 01:36:21PM -0800, Don Marti wrote:

>> ' is called forward tick
>  single quote

Or just plain "tick" or sometimes "acute" (the other one is often
referred to as "grave").

> > | is called pipe or bar
>   Just pipe.

No, it's often called bar, especially outside of the unix community.

> > / is called forward slash
>   Just slash.

Either is acceptable.  "Forward slash" tends to be used in sentences
that also contain "backward slash", in order to emphasize the
difference.

> # is called octothorpe

I have never heard or seen it called "octothorpe" outside of reference
works (i.e. the Jargon File).  Most common name in practice seems to
be "pound" (although this invites confusion with "=A3"), and I've also
seen it referred to as "sharp" (the ISO Forth standard calls it
"sharp").

The "#!" at the start of many scripts is usually called "pound-bang".

The Jargon File is a pretty good place to start for things like this,
although it should be taken with a grain of salt, as some of its
definitions have become semi-obsolete over the years.  The Forth
Language Standard also contains pronunciations for all Forth words,
including most symbols, although some of them are Forth-specific
(i.e. the pointer operators "@" and "!" are pronounced "fetch" and
"store" respectively).

> * is called star

Or hexathorpe. :-)


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Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 16:18:54 -0800
To: Rick Moen <rick@linuxmafia.com>
From: Ian B MacLure <imaclure@mail.arc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Re: [svlug] pound bang splat
Cc: svlug@svlug.org

>begin  Dan Beimborn quotation:
>
>  > # = "pound"
>
>Not if you aspire to communicate with the rest of the English-speaking
>world.  The term "pound" already refers to a currency symbol.

	Nope thats "pound(s)" as in "this here monitor weighs 40#".
	Standard engineering usage at least by MechEng types
	who do statics/dynamics in Imperial/US units.

>"Hash" lacks that problem, and is what I use.

	How about "tictac" as in:

		  X| o |
		---------
		    | X | o
		---------
		    | o | X

	and it won't attract the attention of Carnivore :)

	[SNIP]

	IBM

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Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 16:28:41 -0800
From: Rick Moen <rick@linuxmafia.com>
To: svlug@svlug.org
Subject: Re: [svlug] pound bang splat

begin  Ian B MacLure quotation:

> Nope thats "pound(s)" as in "this here monitor weighs 40#".

Irrelevant to my point:  Outside of a weight-measuring context, if you 
refer by name to the symbol "pound", this is ambiguous because of the 
symbol for pounds sterling.

In my former firm of a decade ago, which had offices on both sides of
the Atlantic, the term "hash" was thus necessary to avert massive
confusion, and to avoid looking like clueless provincials in front of
our European customers.

> How about "tictac"

Tell Safire.  It might eventually approach "octothorpe's" mindshare.

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Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 19:59:07 -0800
From: hvrietsc@yahoo.com
To: Rick Moen <rick@linuxmafia.com>
Cc: svlug@lists.svlug.org
Subject: Re: [svlug] pound bang splat

On Thu, Jan 04, 2001 at 03:58:22PM -0800, Rick Moen wrote:
> begin  Dan Beimborn quotation:
> 
> > # = "pound"
> 
> Not if you aspire to communicate with the rest of the English-speaking
> world.  The term "pound" already refers to a currency symbol.
> 
> "Hash" lacks that problem, and is what I use.

of course the reason that we call the # sign pound is because on older
keyboards that symbol was on the same key as the # sign.

(i am starting to feel old now)

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Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 17:10:59 -0800
From: Joey Hess <joey@kitenet.net>
To: svlug@svlug.org
Subject: Re: [svlug] how to pronounce ~

            The Official INTERCAL Character Set

Tabulated  on  page  57  are  all  the  characters  used  in
INTERCAL, excepting letters and  digits,  along  with  their
names   and   interpretations.  Also  included  are  several
characters not used in INTERCAL,  which  are  presented  for
completeness and to allow for future expansion.

binarykmingleusrabberkfin)lifier)---------------------------------------------+
|Character                Name                         Use (if any)           |
|.           spot                             identify 16-bit variable        |
|:           two-spot                         identify 32-bit variable        |
|,           tail                             identify 16-bit array           |
|;           hybrid                           identify 32-bit array           |
|#           mesh                             identify constant               |
|=           half-mesh                                                        |
|'           spark                            grouper                         |
|`           backspark                                                        |
|!           wow                              equivalent to spark-spot        |
|?           what                             unary logical XOR               |
|"           rabbit-ears                      grouper                         |
|.           rabbit                           equivalent to ears-spot         |
||           spike                                                            |
|%           double-oh-seven                  percentage qualifier            |
|-           worm                             used with angles                |
|<           angle                            used with worms                 |
|>           right angle                                                      |
|(           wax                              precedes line label             |
|)           wane                             follows line label              |
|[           U turn                                                           |
|]           U turn back                                                      |
|{           embrace                                                          |
|}           bracelet                                                         |
|*           splat                            flags invalid statements        |
|&           ampersand 10                     unary logical AND               |
|V           V (or book)                      unary logical OR                |
|-           bookworm (universal qualifier)   unary logical XOR (INTERCAL-72) |
|$           big money                        binary mingle                   |
|/           change                           binary mingle (INTERCAL-72)     |
|~           sqiggle                          binary select                   |
|_           flat worm                                                        |
|-           overline                         indicates "times 1000"          |
|+           intersection                     separates list items            |
|/           slat                                                             |
|\           backslat                                                         |
|@           whirlpool                        unary logical BUT (TriINTERCAL) |
|'           hookworm                                                         |
|^           shark (or simply sharkfin)       unary logical XOR (TriINTERCAL) |
|[]          blotch                                                           |
|         bunghole                                                            |
|            name grabber                                                     |
|            andrew cross                                                     |
|            norwegian minus                                                  |
|            text grabber                                                     |
|            swash                                                            |
|            microscope                                                       |
|            interworm                                                        |
|'           half turn                                                        |
|0xA3        quid                             binary mingle                   |
|0xA4        zlotnik                          binary mingle                   |
|                                                                             |
+-------Table-2-(top-view).-INTERCAL-character-set.---------------------------+

-- 
see shy jo


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