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From: vantontl@my-deja.com Subject: Re: Low cost web testing tools Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 21:39:09 GMT In article <39AA7757.820725E3@automatedtestsolutions.com>, Donald Berrett <dberrett@automatedtestsolutions.com> wrote: > > We're looking for entry level web testing tools (functional primarily). > > Anyone have any leads? > > Don Berrett > -- > > If you're looking for entry level, try free. Here is a list of several web-based web testing tool that will help you run some simple tests on your site. http://www.netmechanic.com/ (spelling, links, load time) http://validator.w3.org/ (HTML validation) http://www.cast.org/bobby/ (accessibility validation) http://www.anybrowser.com/siteviewer.htm (browser compatibility) http://ugweb.cs.ualberta.ca/~gerald/lynx-me.cgi (Lynx, text-only, simulator) === From: 11cents <11cents@my-deja.com> Newsgroups: comp.software.testing Subject: Re: Low cost web testing tools Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 21:52:22 GMT In article <39AA7757.820725E3@automatedtestsolutions.com>, Donald Berrett <dberrett@automatedtestsolutions.com> wrote: > > We're looking for entry level web testing tools (functional primarily). > > Anyone have any leads? "Low cost" is a relative term. How low do you mean? Also, some software is licensed per seat, so how many people do you need to run the software? What level of testing do you want. Many tools may have less or more functionality than you need. Mercury's Astra is a "lower" cost tool (lower than WinRunner, that is). RSW's e-Tester (in my opinion) is better because it hooks right into their e-Load tool that kicks Astra's ass. There's a new-comer on the block called eValid, but I think it is marketed more as a load tool than a functional/regression testing tool. === From: Ralf Blazek <rblazek@bigfoot.de> Newsgroups: comp.software.testing Subject: Re: Web Testing with Rational Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 22:05:57 +0200 11cents wrote: > > I think in general, Rational makes decent software, but they don't > bubble to the top of my list when I think of tools for e-business web > testing. The top of that list would be the likes of RSW and Mercury. Why > not shop around? Evaluate some of the tools out there first-hand and see > if they fit your need. Since you are a small group, probably RSW's > e-Test Suite will fit better into your organization than > WinRunner/LoadRunner. But, don't take my word for it, most tools out > there will allow evaluation periods. Use this to decide for yourself. Thank you for your comments. I have evaluated the tools you mentioned and I would agree with you, that RSW e-Test is an outstanding tool for functional web testing. But they have no bug tracking tool! I have to communicate all the defect to the developers. Presently I do this with small WORD documents send by e-mail, which is a great pain. As much as I have seen Rational ClearQuest would be a great help. Does anybody use RSW e-Test with some bug tracking tool? How good do they fit together? Or is Rational TeamTest the better solution? === From: egyptian_magician@my-deja.com Newsgroups: comp.software.testing Subject: OK to use Single computer for Web Load Testing ? Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 00:00:34 GMT Greetings, Is there any disadvantage to using a single computer with high ram to perform web load testing , rather than having seperate client machines? Also, I am of the impression that as far as web surfing is concerned, the processor speed is not signifiant. is this correct? === From: "Dan" <none@nospam123.com> Newsgroups: comp.software.testing Subject: Re: OK to use Single computer for Web Load Testing ? Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 19:58:01 -0700 <egyptian_magician@my-deja.com> wrote: > Is there any disadvantage to using a single computer with high ram to > perform web load testing , rather than having seperate client machines? > > Also, I am of the impression that as far as web surfing is concerned, > the processor speed is not signifiant. is this correct? Not to be evasive, but I think your question is too general to get any sort of useful answer. You'll need to describe what you wish to load test... Do you have lots of web servers (a web farm)? What are they? How many hits per day/hour/minute/second (take your pick) would you like the servers to be able to handle? Do your web servers provide dynamic content, or just static pages? If static pages, are there lots of big graphics and file downloads? What is your pipe to the net, T3, T1? There are several disadvantages to using a single machine to generate load: 1_ It is not a realistic representation of real world HTTP loads. Lots of machines will hit your server(s), not just one. 2_ Ram is only one small part of the equation in generating load. If you have one machine, you only have one network card. One network card can't possibly generate enough load, unless your server(s) are really really slow. If your site is going to be using large graphics and downloads, or maybe dynamic data, you one load client is going to be network, processor, disk and ram bottlenecked.. Is the one machine your describing a 8 processor Unix system with a gig of memory and multiple ethernet cards, or a Pentium II with a 366 and 128megs of ram? What kind of load testing software are you using? === From: egyptian_magician@my-deja.com Newsgroups: comp.software.testing Subject: Re: OK to use Single computer for Web Load Testing ? Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 06:16:20 GMT In article <eO_q5.1048$mQ2.119248@news.pacbell.net>, "Dan" <none@nospam123.com> wrote: > Hi! > Not to be evasive, but I think your question is too general to get any > sort of useful answer. > > You'll need to describe what you wish to load test... Thanks so much for the response. I'm a newbie so bear with me. I wish to test an e-mail web application in the staging environment. We get about 20,000 users per hour. Average user session is about 10 minutes . So we have about 20K / 6 = 3333 users logged in at a given 10 minute interval. The network engineers told me there is a 10:1 scalability factor between production and staging environment. ( I believe there are 10 production web servers and 1 staging web server. ) So I figure 333 virtual users on staging is an adequate simulation . > 1_ It is not a realistic representation of real world HTTP loads. Lots > of machines will hit your server(s), not just one. Sorry. I am lost on this point.The material I have read so far from from Mercury, RSW ,E-Valid indicate that a single machine can perform the load test. Here is a newsgroup quote on the topic from the E-valid vendor: " Each eValid browser has a ~581KB footprint. One can run many hundreds of copies of eValid on a fast PC. We have run over 250 browsers on a 256MB, 550 MHz Pentium III running Windows 2000. CPU utilization is not that high, it turns out. However, we did have to modify the desktop heap setting and the amount of virtual memory available. These facts are discussed in some detail at this URL: <http://www.soft.com/eValid/Products/Documentation.2/load.unlinked.html> " So I was thinking a single pentium 3 proc machine, 512k ram, single network card will work. >One network card can't possibly generate enough load, unless your >server(s) are really really slow. I am a hardware novice . I don't follow why one network card can't do this. > Do your web servers provide dynamic content, or just > static pages? If static pages, are there lots of big graphics and > >file downloads? What is your pipe to the net, T3, T1? We have a T3 connection. Static pages with very little graphics and light file download. > There are several disadvantages to using a single machine to generate >load: > > 1_ It is not a realistic representation of real world HTTP loads. Lots > of machines will hit your server(s), not just one. I think I remember hearing that these load tools will simulate different ip addreses. Even if they didn't , I'm still not sure why it matters. A connection is a connection isn't it? - regardless whether it is coming from a single machine or multiple machines. Also, what hardware would you suggest to do my load test? Multiple network cards? etc I will be using a Windows NT machine, since this is the most common platform that our customers use. Our servers are Sun Solaris running Apache Web Server. Oracle DB. === From: egyptian_magician@my-deja.com Newsgroups: comp.software.testing Subject: Re: OK to use Single computer for Web Load Testing ? Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 06:16:20 GMT In article <eO_q5.1048$mQ2.119248@news.pacbell.net>, "Dan" <none@nospam123.com> wrote: > Hi! > Not to be evasive, but I think your question is too general to get any > sort of useful answer. > > You'll need to describe what you wish to load test... Thanks so much for the response. I'm a newbie so bear with me. I wish to test an e-mail web application in the staging environment. We get about 20,000 users per hour. Average user session is about 10 minutes . So we have about 20K / 6 = 3333 users logged in at a given 10 minute interval. The network engineers told me there is a 10:1 scalability factor between production and staging environment. ( I believe there are 10 production web servers and 1 staging web server. ) So I figure 333 virtual users on staging is an adequate simulation . > 1_ It is not a realistic representation of real world HTTP loads. Lots > of machines will hit your server(s), not just one. Sorry. I am lost on this point.The material I have read so far from from Mercury, RSW ,E-Valid indicate that a single machine can perform the load test. Here is a newsgroup quote on the topic from the E-valid vendor: " Each eValid browser has a ~581KB footprint. One can run many hundreds of copies of eValid on a fast PC. We have run over 250 browsers on a 256MB, 550 MHz Pentium III running Windows 2000. CPU utilization is not that high, it turns out. However, we did have to modify the desktop heap setting and the amount of virtual memory available. These facts are discussed in some detail at this URL: <http://www.soft.com/eValid/Products/Documentation.2/load.unlinked.html> " So I was thinking a single pentium 3 proc machine, 512k ram, single network card will work. >One network card can't possibly generate enough load, unless your >server(s) are really really slow. I am a hardware novice . I don't follow why one network card can't do this. > Do your web servers provide dynamic content, or just > static pages? If static pages, are there lots of big graphics and > >file downloads? What is your pipe to the net, T3, T1? We have a T3 connection. Static pages with very little graphics and light file download. > There are several disadvantages to using a single machine to generate >load: > > 1_ It is not a realistic representation of real world HTTP loads. Lots > of machines will hit your server(s), not just one. I think I remember hearing that these load tools will simulate different ip addreses. Even if they didn't , I'm still not sure why it matters. A connection is a connection isn't it? - regardless whether it is coming from a single machine or multiple machines. Also, what hardware would you suggest to do my load test? Multiple network cards? etc I will be using a Windows NT machine, since this is the most common platform that our customers use. Our servers are Sun Solaris running Apache Web Server. Oracle DB. === From: opc73@my-deja.com Newsgroups: comp.software.testing Subject: Re: OK to use Single computer for Web Load Testing ? Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 19:42:36 GMT In article <8oi8r8$cni$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, egyptian_magician@my-deja.com wrote: > >One network card can't possibly generate enough load, unless your > >server(s) are really really slow. > > I am a hardware novice . I don't follow why one network card > can't do this. It's a function of hardware/bandwidth limitation. you can only make so many network service requests before the NIC card becomes the bottleneck in your simulated system. this bottleneck will limit the amount of traffic to the site and typically, this amount of traffic will be less than the actual load you want to test. if it's not, you should be concentrating on developing a marketing strategy first before you spend resources on load testing ;-) > > 1_ It is not a realistic representation of real world HTTP loads. Lots > > of machines will hit your server(s), not just one. > > I think I remember hearing that these load tools will simulate different > ip addreses. Even if they didn't , I'm still not sure why it matters. > > A connection is a connection isn't it? - regardless whether it is > coming from a single machine or multiple machines. no. typically a complex web application will differentiate between machines accessing it's resources so that they can track individual user data via IP addresses. this can be accomplished in a relatively simple fashion with cookies, or some sort of middle tier software layer like com objects/SQL backend for more sophisticated purposes. therefor you're exercising different code when you connect with different IP addresses(machines) and putting significantly more load on the application. === From: "Dan" <none@nospam123.com> Newsgroups: comp.software.testing Subject: Re: OK to use Single computer for Web Load Testing ? Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 21:13:14 -0700 <egyptian_magician@my-deja.com> wrote: > In article <eO_q5.1048$mQ2.119248@news.pacbell.net>, > "Dan" <none@nospam123.com> wrote: > > Hi! > > Not to be evasive, but I think your question is too general to get any > > sort of useful answer. > > > > You'll need to describe what you wish to load test... > > Thanks so much for the response. I'm a newbie so bear with me. > I wish to test an e-mail web application in the staging environment. > > > We get about 20,000 users per hour. Average user session is about 10 > minutes . So we have about 20K / 6 = 3333 users logged > in at a given 10 minute interval. > > The network engineers told me there is a 10:1 scalability factor > between production and staging environment. ( I believe there are > 10 production web servers and 1 staging web server. ) > > So I figure 333 virtual users on staging is an adequate simulation . > > > 1_ It is not a realistic representation of real world HTTP loads. Lots > > of machines will hit your server(s), not just one. > > Sorry. I am lost on this point.The material I have read so far from > from Mercury, RSW ,E-Valid indicate that a single machine can perform > the load test. > > > Here is a newsgroup quote on the topic from the E-valid vendor: > " > Each eValid browser has a ~581KB footprint. One can run many hundreds > of copies of eValid on a fast PC. We have run over 250 browsers on a > 256MB, 550 MHz Pentium III running Windows 2000. CPU utilization is > not that high, it turns out. However, we did have to modify the desktop > heap setting and the amount of virtual memory available. > > These facts are discussed in some detail at this URL: > <http://www.soft.com/eValid/Products/Documentation.2/load.unlinked.html> > " > > So I was thinking a single pentium 3 proc machine, 512k ram, single > network card will work. > > > >One network card can't possibly generate enough load, unless your > >server(s) are really really slow. > > I am a hardware novice . I don't follow why one network card > can't do this. > > > Do your web servers provide dynamic content, or just > > static pages? If static pages, are there lots of big graphics and > > >file downloads? What is your pipe to the net, T3, T1? > > We have a T3 connection. Static pages with very little graphics and > light file download. > > > There are several disadvantages to using a single machine to generate > >load: > > > > 1_ It is not a realistic representation of real world HTTP loads. Lots > > of machines will hit your server(s), not just one. > > I think I remember hearing that these load tools will simulate different > ip addreses. Even if they didn't , I'm still not sure why it matters. > > A connection is a connection isn't it? - regardless whether it is > coming from a single machine or multiple machines. > > > Also, what hardware would you suggest to do my load test? > Multiple network cards? etc > > I will be using a Windows NT machine, since this is the most common > platform that our customers use. > > Our servers are Sun Solaris running Apache Web Server. Oracle DB. Great! This gives me a little more to chew into :-) Even though E-Load (and others) claim that you can run 250 simulated users on a single PC, the more important thing is knowing exactly what each of those users are *doing*... All load test tools have one thing in common: they start multiple threads or processes, and each thread or process acts as a single simulated user. So, while it may very well be possible to *start* 250-300 (or more) threads or processes on a single machine, as soon as each of those simulated users starts to do some logic, such as downloading a JPEG file, verifying content of a web page, checking dynamic data, you can bet that the speed with which those users run decreases, and the system resources taken by them increases . I further suspect that the reason E-Load (and others) claim that it's processor was not pegged during testing is because the 250 virtual users weren't doing very much! Add some dynamic data and some file downloads, and a Pentium III will be pegged trying to generate much less load. It's like when you read the product literature published by an automobile manufacturer about a car they produce, they typically mention a "top speed". What they don't mention is that they had a professional driver, a competely flat racetrack, super high octane fuel, and a tail wind to achieve top speed. Simply put, the claims of Mercury, E-load, and others (while not at all deceptive) are simply not applicable, since they usually take the best case scenerio. At best they can be used for a very rough estimate. With that said, the bad news is that no one can tell you with any fine level of accuracy whether the load you wish to achieve can be done with a single machine. They can guess, but the fact is that you won't know until you try. The reason no one will tell you, is because of the HUGE number of variables present. The OS you are running, how that OS is tuned, what kind of ethernet card you have, what kind of traffic you have on your network, how fast your web servers are, how the web server software is tuned, what kind of data your web clients are supposed to generate... The list goes on and on. The only reason I guessed is because one machine is almost never sufficient but for the smallest of sites... Yours does not appear to be small... Read on.. So, how are you supposed to figure out how much horsepower you need? I recommend that you start testing with a single machine, and see how much load it can generate before one of it's components (memory, OS, network) gets overloaded. Then add resources (more machine etc..) as needed... My best guess based on the numbers you gave (333 virtual users generating 20k each) is that when you start your load test with 333 virtual clients, your load client will be network I/O bound. In other words, the network interface will be under duress on the single load client, and will not be able to take advantage of the 333 virtual users that are trying to generate load. I think the suitespot of number of simulated users to available system resources will be much lower. I also think that with that number of simulated users running, your operating system will be under great duress just coping with juggling 333 seperate threads/processes... If each of those simulated clients is asked to do any sort of complicated logic, then you can watch your processor and memory soar... I tell my customers to start with a single (preferably a loaner) machine... Then, design a load scenario by recording a typical session. Then, run a CPU, Process, memory, and network monitor program on both the server(s) and the clients. If you have an ethernet sniffer, it would be great to employ that as well, but that's expensive. Start with a small amount of simulated users, and increase it to the point where one element (network, memory, etc...) is seen to be a bottleneck. You can then decide to scale up the number of machines, amount of memory based on what you see. It's a dynamic process, this tuning. Also, realize that your scaling factor may not give you an accurate view of what will happen in production. In fact, I doubt it will. If you have 3,333 user logged in and using your system, and you intend to test using a 'test environment' which simulates a small fraction of that (in this case, 10%), or 333 users, there is no guarentee that your system will not experience unique bottlenecks in when 3,333 users hit your site realtime... In other words, a 10:1 scaling ratio leaves too much margin for error. As you scale up, lots of other things come in to play. For instance, if your server can handle 333 simulated users from one load client with one ethernet interface, but that ethernet interface is only able to deliver a fraction of the load that the simulated users are generating (say, 100 of those simulated users actually can generate load), then you are going to get hammered when 3,333 unique computers (real users) use your site, because you've only really tested the effect of 100 users... Also, we haven't breached the topic of concurrent users versus nonconcurrent users. I wrote a news posting a couple of months ago that explains this.. It's also important... Check www.dejanews.com and search for 'dpeknik' to find it... === From: evalid <efmiller@pacbell.net> Newsgroups: comp.software.testing Subject: Re: OK to use Single computer for Web Load Testing ? Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 15:44:12 -0700 egyptian_magician@my-deja.com wrote: > Is there any disadvantage to using a single computer with high ram to > perform web load testing , rather than having seperate client machines? > > Also, I am of the impression that as far as web surfing is concerned, > the processor speed is not signifiant. is this correct? > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ > Before you buy. So far as we can determine, given that you want to do realistic full- browser tests that really do download every base page and all of its components, there is no difference in terms of successfully imposing load if you use multiple browsers all running on a "high ram" machine. But is is fair to point out that if you have two or more browsers running simultaneously and automatically retrieving pages, you probably have to make sure that the cache function is suppressed. This would be true especially if you were running the same script many times. But, given that you want total base-page and component download times you probably want the cache function suppressed in any case. We hope this is a useful contribution to the discussion. Complete details on the eValid solution can be had from http://www.e-valid.com and free keys for EVALs -- which normally include the LoadTest capability -- are available at <license@soft.com>. Note: This response was posted by the eValid support team. === From: Donald Berrett <dberrett@automatedtestsolutions.com> Newsgroups: comp.software.testing Subject: How is Java code tested (in a Web page)? Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 12:52:21 GMT This is probably a DQ, but how do the automated test systems actually test the Java in a web page? === Date: Fri, 1 Sep 2000 07:56:59 -0500 From: Vemoc <vemoc@hotmail.com.nospam> Subject: [General Discussion] (Astra Quick Test) Dynamic Link on web page Newsgroups: comp.software.testing This is my code: Sub SearchString() Dim Texte Dim Doc Browser("ClickonJob.com").Sync Set Doc = Browser "ClickonJob.com").Page("ClickonJob.com") Texte = Doc.Link(1).QueryValue("text") MsgBox texte Doc.Link(Texte).click End Sub Call SearchString My question now !!! 1- Why I can't put 1 to select the first link 2- Why I can't use a variable for select this link. What I want to do, is select the first, second or other link in my web page. But the problem is: the text for the links are changing because they are dynamics. So is it possible to select the first link no matter what this link is ??? I'm open to any suggestions... Thanks === From: evalid <efmiller@pacbell.net> Newsgroups: comp.software.testing Subject: Re: [General Discussion] (Astra Quick Test) Dynamic Link on web page Date: Fri, 01 Sep 2000 13:03:28 -0700 Vemoc wrote: > ...snip... > > What I want to do, is select the first, second or other link in my web page. But the problem is: the text for the links are changing because they are dynamics. So is it possible to select the first link no matter what this link is ??? > > I'm open to any suggestions... > Thanks When the text for a link is changing dynamically, or the location of the link on the page is changing dynamically, you can exploit a feature ineValid called "adaptive playback" to make your playback scripts very reliable. This capability overcomes this very common kind of problem by adapting what it does to fit the request...even in case the text on the link has changed [but not if the linked URL has changed], or in case the sequence of the link on the page has changed [but notif the link is not on the page at all]. Try eValid's DEMO from http://www.e-valid.com or get a full-function evaluation key from <licenses@soft.com>. Note: This response posted by the eValid support team. === From: egyptian_magician@my-deja.com Newsgroups: comp.software.testing Subject: Opinions on Radview Webload? Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 12:06:00 GMT Anyone have experience/comments on the Webload tool? I know it has less features than other tools and is only http recorder But it is relatively inexpensive compareed to RSW and Mercury. === Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 19:55:14 -0500 From: knaucqos <knau@cqos.com.nospam> Subject: [SilkTest] Difficulities recognizing web popup windows Organization: mail2news@nym.alias.net Newsgroups: comp.software.testing I am currently using silktest 5.01 to test my company's web application on IE 5.0. Currently i have a problem with Silktest not properly recognizing a popup window during playback. This popup window is used to display some graphs and tables. The windows identifier sees the popup window as: DialogBox("Configuration Report - Microsoft Internet Explorer|$explorer5").BrowserChild("#1) Now if I use this in my code for example like this: DialogBox("Configuration Report - Microsoft Internet Explorer|$explorer5").BrowserChild("#1).SetActive () //this is also what the recorder would have written down an then just run a simple test case that includes that line an error message will appear: [ ] *** Error: Window '[DialogBox]$explorer5' was not found [ ] Occurred in SetActive This is obviously very strange. Silk recognizes the popup window with the windows identifier and the test recorder, but when playing back the testscript it fails to see the popup window. Please click the following link to reply: http://www.qaforums.com/boards/ubb/Forum1/HTML/001003.html === From: "DJGray" <DJGray@attachmate.com> Newsgroups: comp.software.testing Subject: Re: [SilkTest] Difficulities recognizing web popup windows Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 06:56:19 -0700 "knaucqos" <knau@cqos.com.nospam> wrote: > I am currently using silktest 5.01 to test my company's web application on > IE 5.0. Currently i have a problem with Silktest not properly recognizing a > popup window during playback. This popup window is used to display some > graphs and tables. The windows identifier sees the popup window as: > > DialogBox("Configuration Report - Microsoft Internet > Explorer|$explorer5").BrowserChild("#1) > > Now if I use this in my code for example like this: > DialogBox("Configuration Report - Microsoft Internet > Explorer|$explorer5").BrowserChild("#1).SetActive () file://this is also > what the recorder would have written down > > an then just run a simple test case that includes that line an error > message will appear: > [ ] *** Error: Window '[DialogBox]$explorer5' was not found > [ ] Occurred in SetActive > > This is obviously very strange. Silk recognizes the popup window with the > windows identifier and the test recorder, but when playing back the > testscript it fails to see the popup window. > > Please click the following link to reply: > http://www.qaforums.com/boards/ubb/Forum1/HTML/001003.html knaucqos, This sounds real similar to a problem I encountered several years ago with SILK. (Haven't tested with a browser for a while, so this is a vague memory) If I recall correctly, there were two browser windows open and I needed to switch between them. I seem to remember that SILK was recognizing the browsers differently depending on which one was active. For example, we have browser A and browser B. If B is active, then it was considered #1 by SILK and A was #2, so I did a set active on #2 (A) and now it became #1 and Bwas #2. Like I said, this was years ago, but I remember how frustrating it was till I figured out what SILK was doing. This procedure may not be entirely accurate, but it might give you enough to track down the issue. Good luck! === Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2000 20:06:14 -0500 From: knaucqos <knau@cqos.com.nospam> Subject: [SilkTest] logging into your web application. Newsgroups: comp.software.testing Using netscape or Ie5.5, silk test logs into our web app with no problem, but in IE5.0 it is unable to log in. Is there a way to get it to log in? Please click the following link to reply: http://www.qaforums.com/boards/ubb/Forum1/HTML/001006.html === Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 04:32:21 -0500 From: patrick <pconlon@closerlook.com.nospam> Subject: [General Discussion] Q: Build Process in a web environment Newsgroups: comp.software.testing An open question to those of you who work in software quality assurance in a web environment. Does QA have responsibility for documenting the build process or does development? Does QA actually do the periodic builds or does development? Whichever it is, do you agree with how your company is doing things or would you prefer to do things differently? Please click the following link to reply: http://www.qaforums.com/boards/ubb/Forum15/HTML/000249.html === From: "Oren Benkin" <oren_b@attglobal.net> Newsgroups: comp.software.testing Subject: Re: [General Discussion] Q: Build Process in a web environment Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2000 22:48:45 +0200 All documentation and periodic builds responsibility is R&D's. The QA is solely quality assurance, not development. === From: egyptian_magician@my-deja.com Newsgroups: comp.software.testing Subject: Web Server Response time & Load testing Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2000 22:32:55 GMT As I understand it, web server response time can be defined as the time from the client browser making a request to when the first byte of data starts to transfer. Suppose I am load testing a server which can handle thousands of concurrent users. Also, I have a NT load generating machine capable of running 1- 500 clients all running the same sequence of actions. What happens to the response time (as defined above) as the # of load clients increase? I'm not sure how the NT operating system works. If client #1 makes a page request and is waiting for a server response, does client # 2 have to wait before its request gets executed or does the OS switch out client #1 process and execute the client #2 request? ===