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From: Steve Borho <sborho@ststech.com>
Date: 

On Fri, Mar 05, 1999 at 04:15:05PM -0500, Zach Bresee wrote:
> Yeah I had this same problem.  Window Maker .51 and libPropList install their
> libraries in /usr/local/lib ... which won't worky.  You need to move the
> libraries from /usr/local/lib into /usr/lib and then type wmaker.inst as the
> user ya want to use wmaker .51.

Or you can add /usr/local/lib to /etc/ld.so.conf and re-run ldconfig

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Subject: Re: 5.2 fvwm Xwindows Novice question
From: Steve Borho <sborho@ststech.com>
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 1999 14:00:52 -0600


On Mon, Mar 15, 1999 at 12:47:35PM -0700, Kevin W. Reed wrote:
> Question #1
> 
>     How do you resize a window when you can't get to the top or
>     bottom of it to resize it.

All of these questions are specific to the window manager you are using (in
your case, this is fvwm2).  I don't recall how to manipulate windows in fvwm2,
but I can advise you to give Window Maker a try.  It is on the 5.2 cdrom and
when it's installed, it is available as an option from the FVWM2 exit->switch
to menu.

When Window Maker is running (instead of FVWM2), you can move and resize
windows by holding down the ALT key while dragging the window contents with
the three mouse buttons (alt-left is raise+move, alt-middle is move,
alt-right is resize).

> Question #2
> 
>     Can you setup the system so that you can scroll the window up and
>     down to reach these types of things?  Then I wouldn't need to
>     resize them, just have the mouse cause them to scroll up to get
>     to them.  
> 
>     Like a Virtual window that is larger than the screen itself.

This can be enabled by telling X to use a virtual resolution larger than the
physical one.  It requires your video hardware to have enough RAM on it to
handle the larger resolution at the physical bit depth. (ie, if you're using
640x480 in 16 bit colors and want a 800x600 virtual deskspace, then your video
card has to support 800x600 at 16 bit color)

> Question #3
> 
>     Is there a way to turn off the window at the bottom the shows
>     the Desktop and Apps positions.  I assume you can turn it off and
>     back on when you need it.

This is a FVWM issue, and I'm not familiar with that part of it.  In Window
Maker, the dock and clip are both optional and/or can be moved mostly off the
screen if you like.  The clip supports an auto-hide mode as well.

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Subject: Re: E functions 
From: Michael Fulbright <msf@redhat.com>
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 00:20:55 -0500

There is a keybinding editor in the enlightenment config tool (e-conf).

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Subject: RE: Gnome desktop circulation and virtual desktops
From: "Madel, Kurt" <KMadel@USInspect.com>
Date: Tue, 1 Jun 1999 10:44:07 -0400 

On 1 Jun 99, at 9:03, Madel, Kurt wrote:

> > Actually, I believe that it is the window manager (in this case
> > Enlightenment). I use IceWM 0.9.4 and have no problems raising apps on the
> > panel. If you are looking for a very lean and efficient window manager
> > that is Gnome compliant, I highly suggest IceWM.
> 
> Yuki Taga [mailto:yukitaga@twics.com] wrote:
> 
> > Thanks Kurt.  Got a URL to go with that?

You can find iceWM at http://www.kiss.uni-lj.si/~k4fr0235/icewm/

I compiled the source using the install directions to make it Gnome
compliant. There is an rpm available also, but I haven't tried it, so I am
not sure it was made with Gnome compliant flags.

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Subject: Re: Philosophical meanderings [and Gnome]  (Was: Kernals...)
From: Chuck Mead <chuck@moongroup.com>
Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 09:50:54 -0400 (EDT)


On Thu, 24 Jun 1999, Yuki Taga spewed into the bitstream:
> I know that.  <g>  They just chose to go with the Gnome/E combo.  And 
> all I said was that it was unfinished and buggy (anyone really and truly 
> disagree?), and that it's probably not in active development any longer 
> (the E component, anyway, since Rasterman has apparently ditched RH 
> for the beaches of California, I hear).  ^^_^^  And I don't see much new 
> on his web site, or much indication that anything new is coming.  :(  

Here's a suggestion for everybody... install 6.0... then do the following:

rpm -Uvh http://www.xfce.org/archive/xfce-3.0.0pre2-1.i386.rpm

Then create the following: /home/$username/.xinitrc which contains:
xset s off
exec xfwm

Then type startx.

What you will have is the best GTK+ based Window Manager available... no core
dumps, looks good, completely configurable on the fly, and you can run any kde
or Gnome based app you choose as well as all of the older X-based apps.

The thing looks and acts like CDE and it's awesome.

Stop complaining, and get it... maybe Gnome+Enlightenment will be ready for
prime time later (it's obviously not now as I've never seen so many core dumps)
but in the meantime you can't go wrong with this! And BTW... you can have up to
10 virtual windows with this thing and the menuing system is unbelievably
simple.

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Subject: Re: Why gnome?
From: Chuck Mead <chuck@moongroup.com>
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 1999 11:36:26 -0400 (EDT)

I had exactly the same problem and concluded that it's not
yet ready for prime time and neither is KDE. I installed the
new version of XFce which is fully GTK+/Gnome compliant and
have had no problems now for more than a month. I'd suggest
you try it. You can get it from http://www.xfce.org.

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Subject: RE: xfce install
From: "Juha Saarinen" <juha_saarinen@email.msn.com>
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 14:55:50 +1200


> I recently downloaded xfce (the rpm version) and installed it. I reviewed
> the html help file but am still wondering how to get xfce to come up
> automatically vice using the command line.
>  Any help would be appreciated.

Having just installed XFCE, I can tell you how... run the xfce_setup script
that was installed with the XFCE RPM.

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Subject: Re: Why gnome?
From: Jack L Wallen <jlwall02@athena.louisville.edu>
Date: Mon, 12 Jul 1999 09:42:02 -0400 (EDT)


here's a fix for the .gnome problem - usually.

when gnome becomes unstable it's a simple matter of removing the .gnome
directory and restarting so gnome can rebuild it's directories.

only do this in the user account though - not root ;-)

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Subject: Re: can't log out of gnome desktop
From: Steve Borho <sborho@ststech.com>
Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 16:08:44 -0500

On Wed, Jun 09, 1999 at 03:18:15PM -0500, Ken Teh wrote:
> I changed the settings of the gnome desktop so that I can place windows
> manually.  Then, the incident happened.  I logged in.  I tried to close the
> file manager window when at the same time, the gnome-help window popped up.
> The window manager froze and I had to reboot the machine.  Ever since, the
> gnome desktop takes forever (3-5 minutes) to come up and the log out menu
> item no longer works.  I've removed all the gnome subdirectories thinking
> this might reset whatever.  But, nada!  Anyone have a clue as to what has

window placement is a window manager function.

try rm -rf ~/.enlightenment

> happened and how I might fix this?  I have to reboot to get out of gnome.

try ctrl-alt-bkspc next time, or ctrl-alt-F2/login/killall X, or
telnet in from another machine and killall X.

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Subject: Re: Add WM's to switchdesk?
From: Jay Turner <jturner@redhat.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 13:01:50 -0400 (EDT)


Switchdesk is a tool that we included with release 6.0.  I really do not
see any reason that it would not be useful for 5.2, as all that it really
does is create a specialized .Xclients file, which is then loaded when you
start X.  There is no reason that the same could not be done on a 5.2
installation.

You should be able to grab the RPM for Switchdesk from the 6.0
distribution files.  Have at it.  Hope that you enjoy!

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Subject: Re: Re: RedHat and WMaker Program menu
From: Bruce Richardson <brichardson@lineone.net>
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 20:46:42 +0100 (GMT)

On Tue, 27 Apr 1999, Martin Maciaszek wrote:

> Actually the problem occurred first, when Window Maker switched to
> plmenus. wmconfig generated the menu in the old fashioned way.
> AFAIK even wmconfig-0.9.3 can't create plmenus :(

It doesn't have to!  All it has to do is generate output that WindowMaker
can put in it's menu.  To manipulate WindowMaker's native menus, use
WMPrefs, to manipulate wmconfig, use wmtool or a text editor.  There is no
`problem'.

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