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To: ding@gnus.org
Subject: Threading
From: Harry Putnam <reader@newsguy.com>
Date: 17 Apr 1998 13:46:27 -0700
Can anyone tell me what I need to do to get threading to handle what
ever is causing the last three messages in the 'slow as molasses' thread
to not thread under Eze's opener. I see one is a Cc but should'nt they
all still thread under the subject line?
I see there is no "References:" line in them either for some reason.
But I thought gnus could handle that with proper threading variables
set. Just haven't figured out how yet.
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To: ding@gnus.org
Subject: Re: Threading
From: Stephen Zander <gibreel@pobox.com>
Date: 17 Apr 1998 14:39:30 -0700
>>>>> "Harry" == Harry Putnam <reader@newsguy.com> writes:
Harry> I see there is no "References:" line in them either for
Harry> some reason. But I thought gnus could handle that with
Harry> proper threading variables set. Just haven't figured out
Harry> how yet.
Using
(setq gnus-summary-thread-gathering-function
'gnus-gather-threads-by-subject)
in .gnus should help that. It's the default, though, so maybe you should
just check what gnus-summary-thread-gathering-function is set to.
FWIW, I've found that gnus-gather-threads-by-subject doesn't always work.
I swapped to gnus-gather-threads-by-reference, but it's not 100% either
YMMV, mainly due to stupid mailer that seem incapable of issuing 'References'
or 'In-Reply-To' headers.
Several passes through the 'Customizing Threading' section of the manual may
also help (I think I'm about due for another one).
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To: ding@gnus.org
Subject: Re: Threading
From: Harry Putnam <reader@newsguy.com>
Date: 17 Apr 1998 16:17:41 -0700
Stephen Zander <gibreel@pobox.com> writes:
> >>>>> "Harry" == Harry Putnam <reader@newsguy.com> writes:
> Harry> I see there is no "References:" line in them either for
> Harry> some reason. But I thought gnus could handle that with
> Harry> proper threading variables set. Just haven't figured out
> Harry> how yet.
>
> Using
>
> (setq gnus-summary-thread-gathering-function
> 'gnus-gather-threads-by-subject)
>
> in .gnus should help that. It's the default, though, so maybe you should
> just check what gnus-summary-thread-gathering-function is set to.
>
> FWIW, I've found that gnus-gather-threads-by-subject doesn't always work.
> I swapped to gnus-gather-threads-by-reference, but it's not 100% either
I tried your above suggestion by running C-x C-e on it and reopened this
group. Nothing has changed as far as the thread Eze opened except SSrat
posted and it didn't thread either.
Tried 'threads by reference' but it gives an error; Back trace below:
Signaling: (void-functiongnus-gather-threads-by-reference)((([2((([2"Re:
Canceling with Gnus 5.6.4?" "Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>"
"01 Apr 1998 16:02:03 +0200""<m3n2e5prms.fsf@sparky.gnus.org>"
"<vafogyocn7h.fsf@ramses.cs.uni-dortmund.de>" . . . . .] ...))))
Heavy snippage of a list of what looks like it might be all posting in
group (a continuation of above)
gnus-summary-prepare()
gnus-summary-read-group-1("nnml:ding-mail" nil t nil nil)
gnus-summary-read-group("nnml:ding-mail" nil t nil nil)
gnus-group-read-group(nil t)
gnus-group-select-group(nil)
* call-interactively(gnus-group-select-group)
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To: ding@gnus.org
Subject: Re: Threading
From: Eze Ogwuma <typhoon@dircon.co.uk>
Date: 18 Apr 1998 01:58:47 +0100
Harry Putnam <reader@newsguy.com> writes:
> Stephen Zander <gibreel@pobox.com> writes:
>
> > >>>>> "Harry" == Harry Putnam <reader@newsguy.com> writes:
> > Harry> I see there is no "References:" line in them either for
> > Harry> some reason. But I thought gnus could handle that with
> > Harry> proper threading variables set. Just haven't figured out
> > Harry> how yet.
> >
> > Using
> >
> > (setq gnus-summary-thread-gathering-function
> > 'gnus-gather-threads-by-subject)
> >
> > in .gnus should help that. It's the default, though, so maybe you should
> > just check what gnus-summary-thread-gathering-function is set to.
> >
> > FWIW, I've found that gnus-gather-threads-by-subject doesn't always work.
> > I swapped to gnus-gather-threads-by-reference, but it's not 100% either
>
> I tried your above suggestion by running C-x C-e on it and reopened this
> group. Nothing has changed as far as the thread Eze opened except SSrat
> posted and it didn't thread either.
Believe it or not it seems that messages from Felix Lee are the
problem. They normally don't enter into the thread correctly (only
once in the last 6400 messages) and unless his message is the opening
message in a thread then the others don't thread in after it.
Felix any ideas?
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To: ding@gnus.org
Subject: Re: Threading
From: Felix Lee <flee@teleport.com>
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 19:29:40 -0600
> Believe it or not it seems that messages from Felix Lee are the
> problem. They normally don't enter into the thread correctly (only
> once in the last 6400 messages) and unless his message is the opening
> message in a thread then the others don't thread in after it.
oh cool. sorry, I haven't been paying attention to this
thread (and the mailing list archive seems to be not there).
I use mh and mh-e for my email, and my first guess is I have
a replcomps or repl.filter that's doing something unexpected
with the In-reply-to: header.
and in fact, that looks like the problem.
nnheader-header-value only returns the first line of a
multiline header value. and since I have the message-id on
the second line of the in-reply-to header, gnus never sees
the message-id and so can't thread it.
I'll change my repl.filter :) someone else can decide the
right way to change gnus.
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To: ding@gnus.org
Subject: Re: Threading
From: Harry Putnam <reader@newsguy.com>
Date: 17 Apr 1998 20:34:45 -0700
Felix Lee <flee@teleport.com> writes:
> and in fact, that looks like the problem.
> nnheader-header-value only returns the first line of a
> multiline header value. and since I have the message-id on
> the second line of the in-reply-to header, gnus never sees
> the message-id and so can't thread it.
>
> I'll change my repl.filter :) someone else can decide the
> right way to change gnus.
I feel like I'm getting off too cheap. For once it wasn't me doing
something dumb.
One other item that is happening in this thread is that some of the
messages are Cc'ed and so I get two of them. I wondered if I am also
sending two when I hit 'F' (I'm using the ding mail list not NNTP
server) I've had this 'wide' reply business explained to me a few times
and my understanding is that hitting 'F' on a mail group will send to
the list only and not the author, assuming you've entered the list
address in 'G c' for that group.
Now, I've also seen it said that 'F', in a mail group, replys to
anything in the Cc field too. Is that right? And so, am I sending
replys to the list and to any thing in the Cc field?
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To: Felix Lee <flee@teleport.com>
Subject: Re: Threading
From: Eze Ogwuma <typhoon@dircon.co.uk>
Date: 18 Apr 1998 04:41:58 +0100
Felix Lee <flee@teleport.com> writes:
> > Believe it or not it seems that messages from Felix Lee are the
> > problem. They normally don't enter into the thread correctly (only
> > once in the last 6400 messages) and unless his message is the opening
> > message in a thread then the others don't thread in after it.
>
> oh cool. sorry, I haven't been paying attention to this
> thread (and the mailing list archive seems to be not there).
Noticed that yesterday.
[...]
> I'll change my repl.filter :) someone else can decide the
> right way to change gnus.
Actually a change to Gnus would be good. I see this threading problem
on the Exmh list and also on the Red Hat lists when a RH employee
posts to a thread (Exmh is the mail reader of choice at RH).
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To: ding@gnus.org
Subject: Re: Threading
From: Jason L Tibbitts III <tibbs@hpc.uh.edu>
Date: 18 Apr 1998 01:27:20 -0500
>>>>> "FL" == Felix Lee <flee@teleport.com> writes:
FL> [...] the mailing list archive seems to be not there).
Which list archive would this be? The one you get with 'G a', or some
other archive not run at my site? (I just want to make sure I haven't
broken something.)
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To: ding@gnus.org
Subject: Re: Threading /
From: Felix Lee <flee@teleport.com>
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 14:59:20 -0600
the one at http://www.gnus.org/resources.html, isn't there.
Jason L Tibbitts III <tibbs@hpc.uh.edu>:
> Which list archive would this be? The one you get with 'G a', or some
> other archive not run at my site? (I just want to make sure I haven't
> broken something.)
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To: ding@gnus.org
Subject: Re: Threading
From: Felix Lee <flee@teleport.com>
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 14:56:29 -0600
Justin Sheehy <justin@linus.mitre.org>:
> MH is the culprit, but it isn't your In-reply-to: header. MH, with
> its default configuration, adds a space to the end of Subject lines of
> messages that it replies to. After examining your messages, this is
> indeed the case.
hmm. yes. but this is something in the guts of MH, not the
configuration. the %{subject} format spec has the subject
with a space at the end. no idea why.
gnus could strip trailing spaces from the subject before
threading.
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To: ding@gnus.org
Subject: Re: Threading
From: Justin Sheehy <justin@linus.mitre.org>
Date: 18 Apr 1998 11:12:09 -0400
Felix Lee <flee@teleport.com> writes:
> I use mh and mh-e for my email, and my first guess is I have
> a replcomps or repl.filter that's doing something unexpected
> with the In-reply-to: header.
MH is the culprit, but it isn't your In-reply-to: header. MH, with
its default configuration, adds a space to the end of Subject lines of
messages that it replies to. After examining your messages, this is
indeed the case.
MH is broken in this regard.
Eze Ogwuma <typhoon@dircon.co.uk> writes:
> Actually a change to Gnus would be good.
Gnus threads them just fine for me.
Read the docs for gnus-summary-gather-subject-limit.
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To: ding@gnus.org
Subject: Re: Threading
From: Justin Sheehy <justin@linus.mitre.org>
Date: 19 Apr 1998 10:48:26 -0400
Felix Lee <flee@teleport.com> writes:
> but this is something in the guts of MH, not the configuration.
The default is indeed broken in mh, but a user that wants to can force
correct behavior. Perhaps using %(trim) in the replcomps file? I
don't remember, it's been ages since I used mh.
> gnus could strip trailing spaces from the subject before
> threading.
It already can.
(setq gnus-summary-gather-subject-limit 'fuzzy) and similar things can
be pretty handy.
--
Justin Sheehy
In a cloud bones of steel.
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To: ding@gnus.org
Subject: Re: Threading
From: Felix Lee <flee@teleport.com>
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 15:38:28 -0600
Justin Sheehy <justin@linus.mitre.org>:
> The default is indeed broken in mh, but a user that wants to can force
> correct behavior. Perhaps using %(trim) in the replcomps file? I
> don't remember, it's been ages since I used mh.
yah. replace %{subject} in replcomps with %(putstr(trim{subject}))
still, it's not the default, and it's far from an obviously
necessary change, and it'll mess up subjects that
intentionally have trailing spaces for whatever reason.
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