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                                             September 28, 2009
                                             October   23, 2013

  I was listening to a Lierre
  Keith lecture on KPFA...           Lierre Keith, author of
                                     "The Vegetarian Myth: Food,
                                     Justice, and Sustainability" (2009)

  Really remarkable... I haven't
  heard from one of these in ages.
  She's got that earnest, open,          The cool clear
  I-know-what-I'm-talking-about          eyes of a seeker
  vibe that I know so well from          of wisdom and truth.
  anti-nuclear debates; and a                                   ANTI-PROMETHIAN
  tendency toward melodramatic
  over-statments that she tosses      She's got some seriously dangerous
  off with complete seriousness.      skills, but is unlikely to do much
                                      damage becuase her central message
                                      contradicts the recieved wisdom on
                                      the left.
She presents her epiphanies
as a tale of personal
discovery, slanted toward
an audience that's presumed
to be the left-wing version
of politically correct.


She takes the bold, daring line that
veganism is mis-conceived, and the               It uses up
reason is that: agriculture is *evil*.           "fossil soil".

She apparently started out with the idea             She spits out
that mother nature is some sort of benevolent        amazing numbers
diety, and it dawned on her suddenly that            about soil depletion
agriculture isn't natural.                           that I do not believe
                                                     for a second.
  No one ever mentioned to her
  the problems with monocultures?


    Coming into the middle of her
    rap, it's hard to fathom where     It sounds an awful lot like
    she's going with the polemic.      the deep ecologists of the
                                       early 90s, when they were
                                       looking forward to human
                                       "diebacks".

                                               EMPIRICAL_MORALITY

    On her list of evils:

 Agriculture:

   o  It requires wiping out "every other
      living thing", it is a kind of "genocide"

   o  It requires slavery, and leads to warfare to
      defend the horde of agricultural surplus

    Only recently have we gotten away
    from slavery for agriculture through
    the use of...

  Fossil Fuels:

   o  Polluting and "unsustainable".            PEDDLING_SUSTAIN


    Civilization (i.e. life in cities)
    is dependant on agriculture


    She claims "Leisure requires slavery",
    but she also brings up the factoid that
    hunter-gathers had *more* leisure...
    so which is it?



  She pushes a bunch of buzz phrases that
  made it easy for me to look-up her name:

     "fossil soil"
     "perennial permaculture"
     "takeover vs takedown"              That one is attributed
                                         to a book named
                                         "Overshoot" (1980) by
                                         William R. Catton


  "...  overwhelming amount of anthropological
  evidence showing an overlap of herding- and
  war-based cultures. "
     -- Dani, May 6, 2009
        http://vegansofcolor.wordpress.com/2009/05/05/vegetarian-myth-lierre-keith/


  No one I see is taking on her
  numbers, e.g. inches of soil      How long does she think this has
  burned per year.                  been going on, and how thick does
                                    she think the layer of topsoil was
                                    to begin with?


  Have a feeling she's doing an
  apples-to-oranges comparison:     Vegetarians would like us to eat
  big agri-business vs. small       organically grown vegetables, and
  animal culture (grass-fed).       Lierre Keith wants us to eat free
                                    range meat, and neither of them bear
                                    much resemblence to the big business
                                    versions that most people are really
                                    being fed by.

I took a glance at her taking           So the questions are
on "Diet for a Small Planet",            o  how well can they scale up
but I don't see her addressing           o  what's the relative damage
their claim that cattle-farming             produced by either?
on government land was
destroying the soil.                    And I suppose:
                                         o  how bad are the big business
  Just pointing fingers                     approaches, really?
  at each other?



             Even giving Lierre Keith most of
             her premises, I submit that:

             We need to fix agriculture to save
             civilization.

             If we can't finese it and find a
             way to do it with less energy, then
             we need different high-grade energy      Nuclear power
             sources that are cleaner.                comes to mind.

             We should not assume that either                      NUKES
             present industrial agriculture,
             or present organic agriculture are
             the last word.

             If you're worried about topsoil
             preservation, you should be             Which means, for example,
             interested in "no-till" agriculture.    that GMO agriculture
                                                     and Monsanto's "round
                                                     up" are not necessarily
                                                     the ultimate evil.

                                                     WHATS_GOOD_FOR_GM

                    And further, I speculate that
                    someday: agricultural robots
                    might enable a return to a more
                    diverse, intermixed style of
                    agriculture.

                    Monocultures have economies of
                    scale via standardization, but
                    as our technology gets more flexible,
                    we may be able to get away from that,
                    and craft agricultural ecologies that
                    are easier to sustain.

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