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MUNDANE_MORNING


                                             January 3, 2011

   The Mundane SF Manifesto is
   manifestly depressing.                      The bad manifesto for
                                               better SF is an odd genre...

   Yes, much "Science Fiction" barely                   RAYMONDS_FOLLY
   deserves to be regarded as anything
   but Fantasy: it's dependent on cliches
   that are complete nonsense:
   faster-than-light travel, telepathy...

       These premises are so ubiquitous
       the average SF reader has the
       vague impression there's
       something reasonable about them.             At the very least,
                                                    this should shoot
       The standard SF Consensus Future(s)          down the pretentions
       are *based* on notions like this, and        of the SF fan about
       this is indeed an indictment of SF.          their inherent
                                                    superiority to the
                                                    mere "mundanes".



   But this manifesto, at least in it's
   original form was full of remarkably
   stupid gaffs, perhaps the worst of
   which is the title.
                                           Interstellar travel
      You can avoid nonsense               is entirely possible
      without being condemned              without FTL.
      to the "mundane".
                                           The ideas should be
   The funniest gaff:                      familiar by now:
   the insistance that
   quantum uncertainty                            Multi-generation space ships;
   has no macroscopically                         Suspended animation;
   observable effects.                            Time-dilation;
   (They live in an                               Radical life-extension.
   alternate universe
   without solid state       LOOSE_FEATHERS
   electronics).


      The computers these
      guys use are just
      magic boxes to                                  http://whensquirrelsattack.wordpress.com/2007/08/11/why-people-hate-the-proponents-of-the-mundane-sci-fi-bowel-movement/
      them, but we're
      supposed to accept          "why people hate the proponents of
      them as authorities         the mundane sci fi bowel movement"
      on the range of             August 11, 2007:
      reasonable
      possibilities....           "... they’re really a bunch of
                                  self-righteous condescending arrogant
                                  little pricks who are more than happy
                                  to ignore history and scientific
                                  facts when it suits them."




         If SF is supposed to be challenging,
         If SF is supposed to make people
         think seriously about the future,
         to make them confront the inherent
         strangeness of the universe, than
         breaking away from the SF space opera
         Consensus Future is a necessity.              This is not how one
                                                       should go about
         But the Mundane SF manifesto does             manifesting...
         *such* a bad job of making this point,
         it seems actively counterproductive.             HARD_AS_STEEL

                                                             Of course, I
                                                             don't do much
              Probably the most interesting thing            better:
              about the Mundane SF Manifesto--
              which is not to endorse the point--            IN_DEEP
              is (quoting the wikipedia version,
              because the original has vaporized):

                 "That unfounded speculation about
                 interstellar travel can lead to an
                 illusion of a universe abundant          This is a kind of
                 with worlds as hospitable to life        reasoning that's
                 as this Earth."                          common in more
                                                          serious circles than
              The suggestion that fiction about space     this: thou shalt not
              travel is immoral, because it can give      speak of how we
              you the impression that the earth is        might cope with
              disposable.                                 global warming,
                                                          because it might
                                                          encourage people to
                                                          ignore prevention.


          Rudy Rucker's defense of SF
          "it's like surrealism" is
          similarly depressing... (and
          it sums up the problems with
          a lot of Rucker's work).

          I haven't read all that much
          Charles Stross, I get the
          feeling that he's another                  
                                                        (Nov 14, 2017)               
          case like Neal Stephenson...                                       
          They're bright guys who know       Actually, this is unfair        
          some things, but they're too       to Stross.  He writes           
          jokey for my tastes,               like that only sometimes.  
                                                                            
          But maybe they both do a good                          
          job of sugarcoating the fire                           
          for people who can't take it            How many metaphors
          straight.                               can *you* mix in
                                                  just one sentence?







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