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                                            February  7, 2013
Of late, I think it's fair to say
that there's been a shift in my
attitudes and I think we're seeing     You can call this "moving to the
a similar cultural shift throughout    left", though that's oversimplified,
the U.S.                               (certainly in my case, where you'd
                                       have to say I was already with the
Here I'm largely thinking              left on many issues).
about a change in attitudes
on economics, moving from
laissez-faire to a more
interventionist approach.

I like to ponder these shifts                        My attitudes circa
in my attitudes, study the                           the late 90s:
extent of the changes, and the
apparent reasons for them...                         RELUCTANT
though I can't say I think
there's much reason you should
care, one way or another.
                                              An attempt at explaining
It's a bit of a tricky                        libertarians to liberals:
business, trying to remember
what my opinions were and why,                 WHEN_THE_DEVIL_QUOTES_SCRIPTURES
and trying to track why
they've changed.


   I've clearly cooled on libertarian                       LIBERTY
   doctrine -- though I *think* it
   would be fair to say I was never
   all that hardcore about it. But        The other way to take it
   then, I'd often take a libertarian     is that this is I'm another case
   line in arguments, and I've had        of someone trying to back up
   other people remind me I used to       without admitting it.
   describe myself as a libertarian,
   at least sometimes.                                      In which case,
                                                            it's often politic
   The way I remember it, it never seemed to me             to politely look
   that the free market libertarians "had all               the other way
   the answers", it just seemed to me like the              about the editing
   most promising line of approach.  It never               of history.
   seemed to me like it was a complete model
   that covered all cases, and whenever I found             But if you're
   myself in a group of libertarians, I would               interested in
   start arguing with them...                               the way people
                                                            make decisions
     It is an interesting possibility                       then tracking
     that the people like me were                           the back-tracks
     trend-setting...  I would have                         are important:
     thought that no one was
     listening us, but in the long                              The goal is to
     run we were fairly influential                             find some way
     (if anything, too influential).   That's something         to progress
                                       you might keep in        without just
                                       mind when all seems      waiting for
                                       bleak...  though         funerals.
                                       it would be more
   By the way: I was never so far      encouraging if I
   gone as to adopt the likes of       were convinced my
   Ronald Reagan as my hero...         influence was a
   Conservatives have always           positive one.
   struck me as phonies that
   adopt a free market line only                        DARK_HOPE
   when convenient.
                  
   But on the other hand, maybe there        
   were Reagan moves-- like his Union     I also think I ignored what was     
   busting-- that I should've been        happening outside US borders       
   upset about, but ignored because       (e.g. in Latin America) for too     
   it seemed in line with the way I       long, but that's a common       
   was thinking.                          syndrome with Americans and not
                                          any sense the Reagan regime was
                                          the Good Guys.                 
  Some of the changes in my opinions      
  seem like they match the rational       
  ideal, persuaded by factual data        
  and reasoned arguments:                 

  Factual:

     Consider Keynesian economics.  I've
     done some Econ classes, so in the
     80s when I'd heard libertarians
     reflexively sneer at the idea of
     Keynsian fiscal stimulus, I'd point           Krugman in general is
     out that what Keynes actually                 very good at arguing
     recommended was something like                from data, and pointing
     inflating when times are bad, but             out that things were
     deflating when times are good.  The           best in the US when
     actual trouble, it seemed to me,              we were doing things
     was it was politically impossible             worst from the "laissez
     to "step on the brakes" when the              faire" point of view.
     economy was booming.

     Paul Krugman's point that Bill Clinton
     was actually capable of running surpluses
     shoots down this notion very cleanly--
     it's remarkable that there are still some
     people out there who profess not to get
     this point...



Another bit we might call being
persuaded by factual evidence:

In the 80s, I was aware of reports of
an increase in inequality in the US,
but I presumed that they were just a
blip, and the expansion of the middle          Back then, I liked the
class we'd seen over the previous              conservative argument that
half-century was the real long term            this expansion of the middle
trend.                                         class was one of the key
                                               phenomena that Marx had
    A few decades later that                   failed to predict, and was
    "blip" is still there, and                 one of the reasons that Marx
    stronger than ever.                        was irrelevant.

        You can't keep                             The contraction of the US
        shrugging off the                          middle class since Reagan
        actual results of                          does not seem to have
        policies without                           caused any conservatives
        your connection                            to re-evaluate Marx.
        with reality
        looking weak.

   Reasoned arguments:

     Under "reasoned
     argument" (as           Though none of these are actually *new*
     opposed to              to me though, I've just bumped them up
     factual) I'll file      from "puzzling and needs attention" to
     some philosophical      "okay these persuade me".
     arguments that I                                                    
     can claim have                         The question hovering             
     persuaded me...                        throughout is *why* did I    
                                            flip on these when I did?    
     Libertarians want things                                            
     simplified, so any compromise                                      
     with freedom is "tantamount to
     slavery!", but really that's not
     true, small compromises are just
     that, they may or may not be the          Lines like "let the market
     first step on a slippery slope.           decide" get irritating
                                               after awhile: is the market
     Taxation and regulations may be           supposed to be some great
     evils, but they are not the               god, external to humanity?
     *ultimate* evils.  If you accept
     that, then it's a matter of making        Really, markets-- any real
     tradeoffs between different concerns.     markets we're actually
     These smaller evils may be accepted       familiar with-- are creations
     when they can allay greater evils,        of law and custom: many
     and there are many greater evils.         questions boil down to "what
                                               kind of markets do we want?"
                          
   Okay, so I can identify some places
   where New Evidence might've changed      
   my mind, and a few places where it        
   might be Reasoned Debate...                         LEFTWARD_DRIFT
                                            
                                                       SOCIALIZED_MEDICNE
   But I think it's likely a large part     
   of the change has to do with what you    
   might call "social factors":             
                               
   I don't like the people who've been
   using (or abusing, as I would argue)
   "free market" doctrine, and I don't
   want to be associated with those people.


       I want out of that "tribe".

                                       TRIBAL


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