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                                             February 17, 2013
   I sometimes wonder why Apple and          April 11-16, 2013
   Company are content to use SF as a        August   03, 2013
   bedroom district, rather than, say,
   fixing Cupertino.

   Can't those design geniuses get "New Urbanism"?

   But the central insight of Jane Jacobs and followers
   is the embrace of multiplicity, of diversity.

   Cities are the opposite of the single vision,
   the *consistency* that fans of Apple seem to like.
                                                          YOU_AND_I_DIFFER

   When Apple tries to do Urban Design,
   you end up with a round pentagon.


   We've got people working at places
   like Apple and Google, but living      As I understand it, for some
   in the Mission district of San         time Apple used this as a
   Francisco, running back and forth      recruiting tool: you don't
   on company busses.                     *have* to live in the Coop,
                                          we'll help find you an
                                          apartment in San Francisco!

                                                       Dangerbaby speculates
                                                       they may have quietly
                                                       bought up property
                                                       they control themselves.

   What's so magical about San Francisco?
   Don't tell me about hills and ocean, the
   Mission district doesn't have much to do
   with either.

      If Cupertino *wanted* to be more
      desireable, what would it do?


      (1) change it's zoning regs to allow denser
      construction,

      (2) tell Apple to stop trying to design
      a building like a one-button mouse,
      and get some architects who've heard
      of New Urbanism.

      (3) put in an arts college and an "arts
      industrial park".

         Seed it by offerring cheap deals
         to Survival Research Labs and the
         Flaming Lotus Girls.
                                                     SAN_FRANCISCO_DREAMING
      (4) reach out to the existing local
      communities (latino, vietnamese).

      (5) don't declare war on small music
      venues

      (6) put the Apple marketing guys to work:

          "bold new experiment in living";
          "embrace of diversity";               If it's all a matter of
          "planned to evolve".                  branding, you could try calling
                                                this "San Francisco Towne": it's
                                                not like SF holds a trademark.

      It's not at all clear to me that "new
      metropolitan areas are very hard to
      create" (as Krugman has suggested) what
      is clear is that no one is trying.          http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/16/density/?src=twrhp


           Q: why are residents of Cupertino
              content to be the armpit of
              the valley?

           A: if they didn't like it they
              would've left already.




   So: how shall the 'burbs eventually be
   resucitated?  It has to be a gradual process:
   they won't go, "hey, this sucks" and change        Though, I don't know,
   it all.                                            maybe they will?

                                                           SUBURBAN_HOPE
       So what might the
       intermediate steps be?             But it shouldn't be forgotten that
                                          countervailing forces that threaten
                                          to kill the city still do exist:
   One: the continuing                    e.g the nouveau urban citizen whose
   embrace of the smattering              slogan is "More Parking!"
   of older neighborhoods
   with pre-WWII zoning.                            Cities have to be able to
                                                    exist without consensus
       Long Island, where I'm from, has             about New Urbanism...
       many a town with a much realer
       vibe than the surrounding
       sprawl.  Most of them are harbor
       towns (mostly along the North
       Shore) that got started before      On the San Francisco peninsula the
       the post-WWII car madness.          equivalent neighborhoods tend to
                                           be clustered right around the old
                                           Southern Pacific train stations.
       As usual, there's this pattern
       where people absolutely love
       these "historic" places; they
       jam into them every weekend--
       and yet they can't see any way
       to construct a new one.

       Why not, for example, take a dead
       shopping mall and treat it's vast                One answer: if they
       expanse of parking as a "green field"            did try this they'd
       to attempt to build a Real Town--                find a way to make
       or at least, a village full of Shoppes.          it suck.

                                                           NEW_URBAN_HERESY

                                                        Another answer: I've
                                                        heard of a few places
                                                        that has tried this,
                                                        and the results do
                                                        indeed suck.  All
                                                        apparently fail the
                                                        punk rock bar test.

                                                            NOWHERE_PUNK



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