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                                          October 12, 2007
One more time, over the
now familiar debate:

   "work inside the system/
   work outside the system"


"Defending the Earth (1991)
A Dialogue Between Murray             RADICAL_FREEZE
Bookchin & Dave Foreman:

Linda Davidoff, p. 64:

"But we live in an enormously stable
society, one that changes slowly and
reluctantly.  I don't see a revolution
around the corner, eco-anarchist or
otherwise.  So, I think we better get
good at old-fashioned reformism.  That's
what makes a real difference in the here
and now."

  She uses the example of opposing
  Vietnam by supporting a less
  destructive presidential candidate
  that wasn't quite willing to
  "bomb them back to the stone age".

  A more recent example of hers (p. 65):
  local activists opposing the "Westway"
  proposal (Hudson landfill on the upper
  west side).

  "here is an example of people
  intelligently using the institutional
  apparatus of society to stop a bad
  thing from happening -- the filling-in
  of the Hudson River."

  "... this is a stable society that
  moves slowly and that we can change
  it if we're very, very careful to
  work out effective, realistic
  strategies that have some chance of
  success rather than chasing after
  utopian dreams."



To Foreman's credit the first thing
he says is that it's okay for people
to work in multiple ways:

   "Like everything else, I think that we
   have to defend the Earth in a lot of         Note phrase:
   different ways.  I am not telling            'defend the Earth':
   people to do only one thing, to use          he regards
   only one tactic or approach.  In one         working toward
   sense, I don't care how people choose        human survival
   to defend the Earth -- whether they          as tacky, merely
   write letters to the editor, recycle         selfish behavior.
   newspapers, canvass for an
   environmental candidate, blockade                 Everyone needs
   nuclear power plants with a few                   something bigger
   thousand other people, or spike trees             than themselves
   and sabotage bulldozers alone in wild             to believe in?
   areas."    p. 66
                                                        And I see Michael
                                                        McClure pushes
                                                        wholism, e.g. in
                                                        his "Scratching
                                                        the Beat Surface".

  "The American political system is very
  effective at co-opting and moderating
  dissidents by giving them attention and
  then encouraging them to be
  'reasonable' so their ideas will be
  taken 'more seriously.'  Appearing on
  the evening news, testifying before
  congressional hearings, or getting a
  job with some government agency are
  just some of the methods used by the
  establishment to entice one to share
  key assumptions of the dominant
  worldview and to enter the negotiating
  room to compromise with madmen who are
  destroying everything pure and
  beautiful.  Take a look at much of the
  mainstream conservation movement today.
  The political vision of most of these
  reformers includes, at a minimum, a
  global population of ten to twelve               How many humans
  billion human beings, nation-states,             can dance on the
  multinational corporations, the private          head of a planet?
  automobile, and people in business
  suits on every continent.  Such a                     Are nations and
  limited vision is not going to spark or               multi-nats both
  lead a movement for the creation of a                 banned from Foreman's
  wilderness-loving and egalitarian                     vision of the future?
  society."     p. 71
                                                             PRIME_DIRECTIVE
  "Indeed such a limited vision has
  little or no future.  Modern society is
  a driverless hot rod without brakes
  going 90 miles an hour down a dead-end
  alley with a brick wall at the end.  We
  do not live in a stable society.  We're    Yet, I agree that private
  in the most volatile society that has      cars have largely been an     
  ever existed on this planet."  p. 71       evil force -- though my       
                                             reasoning tends to be a       
                                             little different from the     
                                             usual environmental line,     
                                             and I hold out no hopes       
                                             of erasing cars from the      
                                             world altogether.             

"In many ways, Earth First! represents
a fundamentalist revival within the
wilderness/wildlife preservation
movement, a return to basics               Another way of looking at it
and a reaction against reformist           is that radicalism appeals
co-optation and compromise."   p. 72       to the romantic desire of kids
                                           to just kick it all down and
                                           start over.

                                              Heavy metal environmentalism.

                                                   REBEL_YELL



          I wonder if Dave Forman is still as fond
          of the "outside the system" side of this
          debate now.

          Two decades hence, have the
          "radicals" done any better
          than the "moderates"?

          The fact that moderation is too slow
          for your taste does not prove that
          extremism will work any faster.




          Moderates are perhaps too easily co-opted,
          but then radicals aren't hard to neutralize
          either, are they?  A couple of provocateurs
          later, and they're all in court, if not in
          jail.

                                And that was back
                                before the T-word          TERRORISM
                                could be trumped up
                                to slap anyone down.







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