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THE_JUVIES

                                             March 9, 2004
                               Rearranged:   June 19, 2006
                               New diagram:  Jan  14, 2010

Of late, I've spent a lot of time
thinking about beat history, but
there's an obvious angle that
I still have no good handle on...

  What about the rockers,
  the "juvenile delinquents"?    Podhoretz tried to blame
                                 the juvenile delinquents
                                 on the beats, but I have
                                 my doubts that really holds up.

    Bop  beget the beats,
    rock beget the juvies...         Maybe:

  But both phenomena (scenes?)          bop ----------------> beat
  were building roughly in               |                     |
  parallel with each other,              V                     |
  to the point where it's             "rock n'                 V
  difficult to say if they             roll"  -----> rock     folk
  should be thought of as                |            |        |
  different, or aspects of               V            V        |
  the same thing...                   juvies          o<-------/
                                         |            |
       Still, "The Black                  \           V
       Rebels Motorcycle                   \-------> hippies
       Club" would not seem
       to have much to do
       with Jack Kerouac and    WILDONE
       vice-versa...

              Though there is
              that reference in
              "Howl" to "saintly     HOWLERS
              motorcyclists"...


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